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    I decided to add the Civic to my list of testees, wait that didn't come out quite right. So a bud--I'll call him Gz--had his antique Accord in to the dealer for a dragging rear caliper and that seemed like a good motivator/excuse to get on over to Hondaland. Gz was at a table with Arthur, the guy who originally leased him the 2004 Accord EX-L and which he later purchased.

    I sat in a Civic in the showroom. The seats are low, interior friendly enough, it had tan upholstery which is a plus because most cars give you black or black and it's dark enough in there without the black upholstery absorbing more light. Did I mention the seats seem low, lower than the Mazda3 and the Elantras I've driven? Yes, I see I did.
    So I took one for a whirl, a 2016 grey sedan.

    Damn, all gizmo'd-up interior. How the hell do I turn the radio down? And get it off this awful FM station? I'm used to simple, obvious dials. That took a few, call me slow and grouchy. Salesman cut me loose, he had other fish to fry so off I went. I caught 23 north off Central.

    The car was warm, it was 4:00 pm and rush hour traffic was rushing on 23, and I gave it the boot. This sukkah DA DO RUN RUN!



    It's a 1.5t, 91 cu in, 1496 cc
    Power: 174 hp @ 6000 rpm
    Torque: 162 lb-ft @ 1700 rpm

    C/D TEST RESULTS:

    Zero to 60 mph: 6.8 sec
    Zero to 100 mph: 17.7 sec
    Zero to 120 mph: 28.6 sec
    Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 7.5 sec
    Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.9 sec
    Top gear, 50-70 mph: 4.9 sec
    Standing ¼-mile: 15.3 sec @ 94 mph
    Top speed (gov limited): 126 mph
    Braking, 70-0 mph: 178 ft
    Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.82 g*
    http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...riented-page-2

    I know the motor media have cursed CVTs since they appeared. Another area where I disagree with the highly-paid professionals.
    This CVT/turbo combo is slick, it responds almost instantly for kick-down or just nail it, it seems quicker than an auto kicking down but I'll have to get back into the Mazda and Elantra and compare. And I guess I should cruise a Cruz, the car mag guys like them so I should check them out.

    At any rate, this Civic sedan drives like a Honda. Firm ride with good comfort and bump control. Car is reasonably quiet. The brakes are firm and effective. But then I haven't driven a car in decades that didn't have great brakes. As four discs became standard almost everywhere, and then universal ABS, modern brakes are as good as those on our 1966 Rover. Well, Rover didn't have ABS but it had control as a work of art, they were amazing for their day. Americans still had drums all-around then. Front discs were just becoming common.

    So it's comfy, quiet, rides and handles well, is quite quick. It also comes with junk tires, Firestone 140s I believe. Man oh man.

    Instruments? Front and center there's a tach with a digital speedo right in the middle. Left and right are temp and fuel. I never did figure out how to pull up the gas computer. If you a-holes are going to digitize everything, have someone besides a 21-year-old whippersnapper design it because this panel is NOT instinctive or intuitive or easy.

    There is ONE power outlet in these Civics. I have three in my Soul and I use them all. Dashcam. GPS. Phone chargers. RD used to be there.

    Appearance is subjective, I'll leave it at that though I consider the cars reasonably handsome, maybe a B when graded on the curve.

    The female end of the seatbelt is buried down in the nether regions of the driver's chair. Why in hell don't they spend the extra two cents and put two more inches of length on these safety devices? I buy extenders now as a matter of course, because for some reason it's cool to make extracting oneself in an emergency a life-threatening exercise.

    COOL TOY: Camera in right side mirror. It goes on with the turn signal, you get a nice view on the 7" screen--DON'T FORGET TO LOOK AT THE ROAD!!--or you can turn it on by the button on the end of the turn signal stick. Cool.

    This model, the EX-T, is the cheapest model with dual zone and heated seats. Those are requirements. The headrests have that unfortunate Hunchback of Notre Dame forward-tilt that seems to a requirement these days. The passenger seat adjusts back and forth and reclines. So far, the Elantra Eco is the only car in this class I've found with a passenger seat with height adjustment. The seats are firm but for 20 minutes comfortable. That's how I remember Honda seats.

    This Civic has a real fake spare, which is definitely better than a can of green slime. How many people would know how to change a tire today, when Safe Spaces are required if you see something like a president-elect's name written in chalk on the sidewalk?

    So...quick, strong motor with a pleasant trannie. It doesn't have the "CVT drone" which BTW I have not experienced in my less-than-vast CVT experience, i.e. an Altima four a few years back and now these two Civics.

    Yes, friends, TWO. A hatch is new for 2017. The salesman has a hot Honda so he was liking the spoiler thingie off the roof, and the black wheels and crocodile front end.
    So too does the Cruz have a new hatch. Hatches, hmmm...Did PDL and his hero Sergio Latta el-Disastero get together with some tea leaves and chicken entrails? Only The Shadow knows.

    The hatch drives just like the sedan. I really like this powertrain.

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    I drove one a couple months back, EX-T as well, camera is slick - the ultimate up-side is when I give the jaywalker in town the brush-back I can see his face on the screen!

    Didn't seem to be too friendly on lease rates, but I didn't get real serious, keep me abreast if you get into numbers with saleshomies, please.

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    Re: Honda Civic

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    I drove one a couple months back, EX-T as well, camera is slick - the ultimate up-side is when I give the jaywalker in town the brush-back I can see his face on the screen!

    Didn't seem to be too friendly on lease rates, but I didn't get real serious, keep me abreast if you get into numbers with saleshomies, please.

    Yeah, the salesguy mentioned they have nice lease rates now but their website shows only the LX. I'll ask, I'm curious and December is the time.
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    The Civic turbo is nice. The Cruze and Civic are the class of the field IMHO then there's every one else. If one prioritizes handling over everything else, then the Mazda 3 moves up. Not a fan of the Elantra power train, but they do give the most toys for the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 91fairladyZ View Post
    The Civic turbo is nice. The Cruze and Civic are the class of the field IMHO then there's every one else. If one prioritizes handling over everything else, then the Mazda 3 moves up. Not a fan of the Elantra power train, but they do give the most toys for the price.
    Yup, the Civic 1.5t do have punch. And real world reports show 40+ MPG on the highway.

    I need GOOD handling, not 'ring handling, and all the cars I've driven handle just fine. Tire traction these days makes lift-throttle oversteer and other shenanigans into fairly high speed situations, and there aren't that many curves around here.

    The Elantra Eco 7DCT I drove did not have the hiccups that the Veloster did, so perhaps they've sorted that out. Still, I like the CVT/turbo combo because that gives near-instant pull reminiscent of my VW diesel. The Golf TDi was by no means quick, but it had instant pull and that's good to have.

    Also the cabin amenities will be the deciding factor in my choice. Adjustable passenger seat height is a real plus. You have to go up near 30 grand with a bunch of electronic nannies I don't want and don't want to pay for in the Civic to get that.
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    Re: Honda Civic

    I don't mind the look of the new Civic. Good residuals, good fuel economy. I would consider one strongly, except for 2 details:

    -The car is pretty low to the ground. As I get older, I just find small crossovers (or tall cars, like our recent Dodge Avenger) easier to get in and out of.

    -from what I can tell, it is mandatory to get a sunroof/moonroof when you get the better (turbo) engine. Headroom is at a premium in a shorter car like the Civic, I simply can't have one with a moonroof and the extra inch or so it takes away from headroom. Even though it is 'built into the price", I also hate paying $1000+ for something that I would rather not have at all, even if it was free.

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    Good review, probably I will try to convince my better half to get that one (of course Ontario built unit) over her ancient 2003 Corolla, but the toughest sell would be for her to accept or adopt all those gizmos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neshapop View Post
    Good review, probably I will try to convince my better half to get that one (of course Ontario built unit) over her ancient 2003 Corolla, but the toughest sell would be for her to accept or adopt all those gizmos.
    LX has the fewest gizmos. I drove through the Honda dealer today to ask a couple of questions regarding bucks off the remaining 2016s vs. '17s, the first thing I saw was two hatches in a battleship grey color, Honda calls it polished metal. Rear view was very Star Wars. Pretty cool.

    LX hatch with CVT is $21,335.

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    I don't mind the look of the new Civic. Good residuals, good fuel economy. I would consider one strongly, except for 2 details:

    -The car is pretty low to the ground. As I get older, I just find small crossovers (or tall cars, like our recent Dodge Avenger) easier to get in and out of.

    -from what I can tell, it is mandatory to get a sunroof/moonroof when you get the better (turbo) engine. Headroom is at a premium in a shorter car like the Civic, I simply can't have one with a moonroof and the extra inch or so it takes away from headroom. Even though it is 'built into the price", I also hate paying $1000+ for something that I would rather not have at all, even if it was free.
    Yeah, there's that ground thing. All the sedans/hatches I've shopped have their chairs at about 22" off the ground. I checked my wife's PT, it's 25", Soul is 27".
    I DO understand that step-in/step-out issue. Nonetheless, I'm strongly pulled toward the Honda at this point. I drove a VW Golf and re-drove the Elantra Eco today. The only thing that pulls like the Civic is the Forte5 201HP turbo I drove a couple of months ago.
    And though the "experts" tend to bad-mouth the CVT, IMO it's the best of all the trannies I've experienced. I think the VW is a dual clutch job, but NOTHING yanks down and goes into power band like the CVT. You always have to wait for kickdown. Honda engineering, sweet.

    Moonie is not included on the hatch (LX, Sport, EX, EX-L Nav) until you get to the EX. All the hatch models have the 1.5t.
    The Sport has a few more HP and boy-racer look items, same HP and 15 additional torkies. I think I'd go with the EX because it has dual zone. I didn't notice the mandatory s'n'oof, that is stupid and there are better ways to earn a buck but makers are makers.

    I may have to re-look the Sport. OK, Sport has 18" wheels. I really like the 15s on the Elantra Eco. I am almighty tired of this race-to-huge-wheels, the tires cost up the wazoo and they weigh more and do less.

    Regarding the sedan, models are LX, EX, EX-T, EX-L, & Touring.
    LX & EX have a 2.0 158 HP, the rest are turbos. Mandatory moonroof starts with the EX.
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    Honda lowered the seat mount points an inch versus the previous generation which is why the car sits lower. That in combination with the awkward styling was why I purchased an Accord instead of a higher optioned Civic.
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    Good review here, thanks for taking the time to post it up. They really are nice little cars IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryannel2003 View Post
    Honda lowered the seat mount points an inch versus the previous generation which is why the car sits lower. That in combination with the awkward styling was why I purchased an Accord instead of a higher optioned Civic.
    Hoo man. Why would they do that? Wonder if there's a way to raise the seat.

    I tell ya, that Civic Hatch is wicked looking.

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    Good review here, thanks for taking the time to post it up. They really are nice little cars IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    Hoo man. Why would they do that? Wonder if there's a way to raise the seat.

    I tell ya, that Civic Hatch is wicked looking.



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    Honda lowered the roofline of the car itself an inch so the needed to mount the seat lower for more headroom. It's definitely something that I noticed the first time I got in the car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    I decided to add the Civic to my list of testees, wait that didn't come out quite right. So a bud--I'll call him Gz--had his antique Accord in to the dealer for a dragging rear caliper and that seemed like a good motivator/excuse to get on over to Hondaland. Gz was at a table with Arthur, the guy who originally leased him the 2004 Accord EX-L and which he later purchased.

    I sat in a Civic in the showroom. The seats are low, interior friendly enough, it had tan upholstery which is a plus because most cars give you black or black and it's dark enough in there without the black upholstery absorbing more light. Did I mention the seats seem low, lower than the Mazda3 and the Elantras I've driven? Yes, I see I did.
    So I took one for a whirl, a 2016 grey sedan.

    Damn, all gizmo'd-up interior. How the hell do I turn the radio down? And get it off this awful FM station? I'm used to simple, obvious dials. That took a few, call me slow and grouchy. Salesman cut me loose, he had other fish to fry so off I went. I caught 23 north off Central.

    The car was warm, it was 4:00 pm and rush hour traffic was rushing on 23, and I gave it the boot. This sukkah DA DO RUN RUN!



    It's a 1.5t, 91 cu in, 1496 cc
    Power: 174 hp @ 6000 rpm
    Torque: 162 lb-ft @ 1700 rpm

    C/D TEST RESULTS:

    Zero to 60 mph: 6.8 sec
    Zero to 100 mph: 17.7 sec
    Zero to 120 mph: 28.6 sec
    Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 7.5 sec
    Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.9 sec
    Top gear, 50-70 mph: 4.9 sec
    Standing ¼-mile: 15.3 sec @ 94 mph
    Top speed (gov limited): 126 mph
    Braking, 70-0 mph: 178 ft
    Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.82 g*
    http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...riented-page-2

    I know the motor media have cursed CVTs since they appeared. Another area where I disagree with the highly-paid professionals.
    This CVT/turbo combo is slick, it responds almost instantly for kick-down or just nail it, it seems quicker than an auto kicking down but I'll have to get back into the Mazda and Elantra and compare. And I guess I should cruise a Cruz, the car mag guys like them so I should check them out.

    At any rate, this Civic sedan drives like a Honda. Firm ride with good comfort and bump control. Car is reasonably quiet. The brakes are firm and effective. But then I haven't driven a car in decades that didn't have great brakes. As four discs became standard almost everywhere, and then universal ABS, modern brakes are as good as those on our 1966 Rover. Well, Rover didn't have ABS but it had control as a work of art, they were amazing for their day. Americans still had drums all-around then. Front discs were just becoming common.

    So it's comfy, quiet, rides and handles well, is quite quick. It also comes with junk tires, Firestone 140s I believe. Man oh man.

    Instruments? Front and center there's a tach with a digital speedo right in the middle. Left and right are temp and fuel. I never did figure out how to pull up the gas computer. If you a-holes are going to digitize everything, have someone besides a 21-year-old whippersnapper design it because this panel is NOT instinctive or intuitive or easy.

    There is ONE power outlet in these Civics. I have three in my Soul and I use them all. Dashcam. GPS. Phone chargers. RD used to be there.

    Appearance is subjective, I'll leave it at that though I consider the cars reasonably handsome, maybe a B when graded on the curve.

    The female end of the seatbelt is buried down in the nether regions of the driver's chair. Why in hell don't they spend the extra two cents and put two more inches of length on these safety devices? I buy extenders now as a matter of course, because for some reason it's cool to make extracting oneself in an emergency a life-threatening exercise.

    COOL TOY: Camera in right side mirror. It goes on with the turn signal, you get a nice view on the 7" screen--DON'T FORGET TO LOOK AT THE ROAD!!--or you can turn it on by the button on the end of the turn signal stick. Cool.

    This model, the EX-T, is the cheapest model with dual zone and heated seats. Those are requirements. The headrests have that unfortunate Hunchback of Notre Dame forward-tilt that seems to a requirement these days. The passenger seat adjusts back and forth and reclines. So far, the Elantra Eco is the only car in this class I've found with a passenger seat with height adjustment. The seats are firm but for 20 minutes comfortable. That's how I remember Honda seats.

    This Civic has a real fake spare, which is definitely better than a can of green slime. How many people would know how to change a tire today, when Safe Spaces are required if you see something like a president-elect's name written in chalk on the sidewalk?

    So...quick, strong motor with a pleasant trannie. It doesn't have the "CVT drone" which BTW I have not experienced in my less-than-vast CVT experience, i.e. an Altima four a few years back and now these two Civics.

    Yes, friends, TWO. A hatch is new for 2017. The salesman has a hot Honda so he was liking the spoiler thingie off the roof, and the black wheels and crocodile front end.
    So too does the Cruz have a new hatch. Hatches, hmmm...Did PDL and his hero Sergio Latta el-Disastero get together with some tea leaves and chicken entrails? Only The Shadow knows.

    The hatch drives just like the sedan. I really like this powertrain.
    The Civic has always been one of the best in the segment, if not the best.

    Lots of power and MPG to go with it, in a fun to drive chassis.

    Even if you have to pay a bit more, the Civic is well worth the premium.

    My favorite is the EX with the Manual, but can see going with the CVT.

    Keep us updated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryannel2003 View Post
    Honda lowered the seat mount points an inch versus the previous generation which is why the car sits lower. That in combination with the awkward styling was why I purchased an Accord instead of a higher optioned Civic.
    Interestingly Consumer Reports gave all new Civic only 58 out of 100 in overall score and complained about touchscreen hassle and low seating position as well.

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