Forte5 Turbo, Elantra GT 2.0

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    Forte5 Turbo, Elantra GT 2.0

    A few days back I tested an Elantra GT. For the non-HK-imbedded, it's the hatch version of the well-known sedan. Virtual twin to the Forte5, which is the hatch version of the KIA Forte, also famous in its own mind. And known to some of us troopers as the Fort.
    The GT's wheelbase is shorter than the Forte5's by two at 104", vs. 106".

    These hatches have about the same internal volume as my Soul, if we are to believe H-K documents regarding measure, within three or four cubic feet total. The Soul is a claimed 125 cu. ft. total internal volume. About the same as a Sportage or a Tucson, heavier, bulkier cars higher on the pay scale in the H-K world.

    The two most obvious differences between the GT and F5 are the blue dash lighting on the GT, a pleasant change, and the funny way the back seats fold down. And why do most test cars have just a couple of quarts of gas in them?
    The bottom part in the Elantra back seat flips up and forward, and folds separately from the back, consuming all space behind the front seats.
    The Forte seats just fold down in the conventional manner.
    The selling point for the Elantra is it folds flat. It also provides a little stash space under the seat bottom.
    The Forte advantage is you still have that floor space behind the front seats available for stuff. Whatever.

    Elantra GT is the same Nu 2.0 motor as motivates the Soul and numerous other H/K products. GT and the Forte5 EX versions get a claimed 173 HP vs. 164 in the Soul. I can't feel the difference.
    FWIW, for 2017 those horsie-power numbers go down to 164. Progress.

    What I can feel is the Elantra and Forte5 possess greater solidity than my Soul. They have a more substantial feel. The doors clunk more solidly, the cars feel more rugged.

    Elantra is a pleasant, reasonably peppy drive. Sixty comes up in under nine according to the car mag guys. What I liked best about it is it corners FLAT. I gave the apprentice sales guy a G-ride around a roundabout, nowhere near the car's limits but still hooking it at a decent pace. His door was locked, he was belted in, he did not eject.

    The car corners FLAT. I so appreciate the difference between that and my Soul, which has far too much lean for my tastes. Not to mention poorly pacified jounce and rebound. Big difference.

    A nice car, the Elantra GT, very serviceable and with large internal capacity while covering a small footprint.
    OAL for Soul, Elantra, and Forte5 are 163", 169", and 171", respectively. Soul WB is 101". OK, who gives a damn? NOBODY but stats freaks.

    I had to drive a way to find a turbocharged Forte5. Too damn far. But I'm glad I did, even though the sales manager and appraiser were both total ash-holes and peckerheads.

    My aspirational Forte5 is with the $4200 tech package. It has dual zone which I desire, and tons of other stuff thrown in too. Some details below.

    For mill-geeks, this is the Gamma II 1.6 G-TDI of 1591 cc displacement. From all I've read, the lower-powered version at something like 178 HP (@ 5500) performs as well as or better than the 201 HP version. Go figure.
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    This turbo drives cool, it agrees with me. (As some of you know, in some exclusive, NATO-clearance circles, your friendly neighborhood Neanderthal is known as Turboman.)

    The 1.6t with 201 claimed HP @ 6000 and 195 claimed torkies @ 1750-4500, vs. the mere mortals' 173 HP @ 6500 and 154 torkies @ 4700, pulls from down low like a diesel. Like my '99 TDi Golf, but with twice the HP and IIRC 33% more torque and two more gears. And unlike a diesel, it doesn't run out of breath at four grand. It's just getting warmed up.

    Both these test cars use the ubiquitous--I love using that word--H/K 6A in its various iterations. I love using that word, too. Iterations. This is such fun!
    6-speed automatic

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    Granted, the wonders of variable valve timing have performed miracles for small four-cylinder mills. My 2007 Spectra, of fantastic headlight fame, was my first car with VVT. The transformation from the no-low-end-torque mills I'd owned before, with non-VVT, is amazing.
    That said, the Nu VVT 2.0 cannot hold a candle to a turbo'd 1.6. I feel the pain of Car and Driver gurus' complaint about a bit of grittiness as the engine gains revs.
    I guess they like smooth motors, they are professionals. But I like a little grit with my steak. Or at least I don't mind it in my cars. Surely a sign of blatant rube-hood. A peasant with a pitchfork.

    At any rate, the saleshomie set me loose with the Forte t and I didn't have space to crank it out. I was in an unfamiliar area (Novi) but from the punches I did poke, it just PULLS. It also corners flat as a pancake, I like that. The brakes felt strong in my admittedly brief run. The turbo 5s have 11.8" front discs vs. the stock 11-inchers.

    The sales manager fetched the car from Lafontaine thinking he'd sell it to me. Weird. They usually don't do that, and I'd have much preferred a trip to Dearborn vs. Novi. But it is what it is.

    "This is the only car like this for 600 miles! Lots of them in California! Haha!"
    Funny thing is, I've found civilian search engines like CarGurus and Autotrader to be far more effective than the makers' websites. I found several cars, including a non-technology-packaged F5 asking $18,600 in Tinley Park, IL. The sticker is $23,300. That's the 80% deal.

    These maroons in Novi were offering me the "great Costco deal" of $24,200 from a sticker of $27,215. That's the 89% solution, as Sherlock Holmes might have said.
    I've been doing this a long time, and fershur that is just the of a "deal."

    If you can't find a car for 20% off sticker, or at the very worst 15%, you aren't looking hard enough. OR you're shopping FJ Cruisers.

    I found another stripper F5t in Burton OH asking $20,790 off a sticker of $23,305, 89%.
    And in Owings Mills, MD, a technology-packed car stickered at $27,510 asking $22,212, 81%. That's a deal I could live with, and a nice chunk less painful than Novi wants.

    So Owings Mills, MD is 400 miles away. Let's see, one day drive, git car, stay overnight, one day back...does that equal $2000 yet? Or if I was adventurous, I could do it in a day. Something I might attempt in June or July. Not now, when the sun goes low early.
    Antioch IL, anyone? A little more$, a little closer.

    So...there's not much on the car-driving part here, is there?

    Reasonably quick to pretty quick, very smooth trannies*, firm brakes, all the toys including the huge s'n'oof on the technology package car, plus leather, nav (which I hope works), dual zone automatic AC, backup cam, heated outboard seats front and rear, cooled front seats or maybe just the driver's seat, not sure, heated steering wheel, snazzy outer-space 18" wheels shod with Hankook 225.40.18s. Krikey, I swore I'd never have taars that low profile. Yet the cars still ride well, definitely a comfort step up from the Soul and not so different from the Challenger, which has a totally different feel being a half ton heavier.

    I remember the new inertia I felt when I traded my 1991 Camry stick for a Taurus Police Package, but especially when I went into the SHO from a Protege. Those Protoges were SO agile. And the SHO had so much more mass.
    The big cars felt so ponderous, though the were sharp handlers for their day and class. I just prefer the lighter, more agile critters. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

    Well, that's all I know about that. I'll think of more later.
    Feedback welcome, ditto offers on assuming the Challenger lease before I go Swap-A-Lease on Monday.
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    Re: Neanderthal Review: F5t & GT-E

    Gee, not even a "f*** your g*****n** tin Korean Junk!! This is GMi, you talk GM or you vamoose!!"

    Thanks, t-rexx, for acknowledging my yeoman's efforts at keeping the GMI audience informed!
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    Re: Neanderthal Review: F5t & GT-E

    Yet they can't post responses in that mother******* election thread fast enough.

    This is one of the best member reviews ever.

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    Re: Neanderthal Review: F5t & GT-E

    He came. He drove. He wrote.

    Thanks, Nehal! Not my taste, though (Too mother******g Korean rusty steel S**tcan...there is that better?)
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    Re: Neanderthal Review: F5t & GT-E

    Quote Originally Posted by t-rexx View Post
    Yet they can't post responses in that mother******* election thread fast enough.

    This is one of the best member reviews ever*.
    WTF??!! That thread is still going? JHC, I haven't been there in a month. Or a moon, that's more like it. Nothing to gain there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyspaw View Post
    He came. He drove. He wrote.

    Thanks, Nehal! Not my taste, though (Too mother******g Korean rusty steel S**tcan...there is that better?)
    You forgot Commie Rat POS and Cheap Chinese Junk and Crap Japanese Tin Trap! rockyspaw, better check with your doc, you're slipping.

    In other news, have you ever seen a chipmunk/squirrel cross? I'll ask Mr. Google, but I've seen a few tiny skinny squirrels around here, one came by this morning and my wife said he had chipmunk facial markings.
    These guys are about 1/2 the length of your standard grey squirrel--who in case you didn't know it get very fat on a peanut diet--with bodies not much wider than a chip. They can FLY, these guys RUN the wires at top speed, they're 2-3 times faster than a grey and astonishingly quick.
    Doubt many go down for the cat diet, they are turbo'd I'd say.
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    Re: Neanderthal Review: F5t & GT-E

    Wa.. Wa Neanderthal, you seem to know these GT fortes as well as I know Camaros

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    I liked the old EGT because it looked like a Saab.
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    Re: Neanderthal Review: F5t & GT-E

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    In other news, have you ever seen a chipmunk/squirrel cross? I'll ask Mr. Google, but I've seen a few tiny skinny squirrels around here, one came by this morning and my wife said he had chipmunk facial markings.
    These guys are about 1/2 the length of your standard grey squirrel--who in case you didn't know it get very fat on a peanut diet--with bodies not much wider than a chip. They can FLY, these guys RUN the wires at top speed, they're 2-3 times faster than a grey and astonishingly quick.
    Doubt many go down for the cat diet, they are turbo'd I'd say.
    Highly unlikely that it is a hybrid. Perhaps a red squirrel?
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    Re: Neanderthal Review: F5t & GT-E

    You were at Feldman!?

    That is like 5 miles from my house! A few months back, I got a $50 spiff if I test drove a Kia, they still had a whole row of NEW 2015 Optima's.

    They own most of the Chevy stores in the area too, I shop their because they are close, tried to rob me every time....... they've proven to be a waste of time for me.

    Nice review by the way, sorry been busy a get-out the last week, now hanging with the real crazies in Las Vegas.....




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    Quote Originally Posted by jesda1 View Post
    I liked the old EGT because it looked like a Saab.
    Drives like one too. Well, nicer than the ONE Saab I've been in, which was 20 years ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by rockyspaw View Post
    Highly unlikely that it is a hybrid. Perhaps a red squirrel?
    After looking at some of Mr. Google's pitchers, I'm thinking red squirrel.
    Jeez those boogers are fast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    You were at Feldman!?

    That is like 5 miles from my house! A few months back, I got a $50 spiff if I test drove a Kia, they still had a whole row of NEW 2015 Optima's.

    They own most of the Chevy stores in the area too, I shop their because they are close, tried to rob me every time....... they've proven to be a waste of time for me.

    Nice review by the way, sorry been busy a get-out the last week, now hanging with the real crazies in Las Vegas.....




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    Well if I'd known, Ed, I've have gotten you to drive down and we could've kicked half the sales staff's ass together, for recreational purposes only, you understand.

    Waste of time, except...That's the only F5 SX within 100+ miles.

    Sales guy texted me today, I told him their trade offer was a joke and an insult and I wouldn't be darkening their doors again. Asked him to pass it up his chain. Like anyone gives a

    And their wonderful Costco discount was nowhere near the low numbers I've seen at CarGurus and Autotrader. Ditto the USAA when I was looking at Challengers. NOT the lowest price around.
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    Re: Neanderthal Review: F5t & GT-E

    What's a siht cyclops?
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    What's a siht cyclops?
    Something you do not want to meet in a dark alley, fershur.
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    Nice review by the way, sorry been busy a get-out the last week, now hanging with the real crazies in Las Vegas.....
    You're at SEMA aren't you!? Dammit, colour me extremely jealous!

    Some day I'll get there.....bucket list thing for me!

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    Re: Neanderthal Review: F5t & GT-E

    Thanks for the review(s). I need to learn the HK lingo! I had no idea what an F5t and GT-E were. I thought I was entering some exotic car thread.

    Not really a fan of the Kia because of the front end. It's really off putting to me. I find the 'GT-E' much more attractive. But to each their own. I figured the first thing you would do was test out the nav. Speaking of which, I'll gladly take over your Challenger lease...$200/month. You pay the difference. I'll meet you at a parking lot halfway between here and there to seal the deal.

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    Yet they can't post responses in that mother******* election thread fast enough.

    This is one of the best member reviews ever.
    I was really hoping that that cesspool of a thread would have been flushed away by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaterBoy1 View Post
    You're at SEMA aren't you!? Dammit, colour me extremely jealous!

    Some day I'll get there.....bucket list thing for me!
    Yup, been at AAPEX the past 2 days, working our booth, meeting with customers and vendors, tomorrow is wall-to-wall SEMA, then red-eye back to Detroit tomorrow night.


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