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    2017 LT 1.4 6A. LT. Lieutenant model.

    Why not the Cruze? "This is the car that could have been designed by AI."
    On paper and in the flesh/metal, this car should do most things right.

    A couple of notes about the modern dealership. No business cards. Sales guy sent his card to my iPhone. No brochures. He did print me one, in color. He said they don't stock them, they save about $30,000 a year in brochures that way. Zippy.

    Of all the cars I've driven so far--Golf, Civic, Acura ILX, Elantra, Mazda3--the first impression that comes to mind is (to repeat) "This is the car that could have been designed by AI." All the parts are here. Little turbo motor that can get 40 MPG on the highway. Smooth six-speed automatic, no DCT no CVT no experimenting on customers for Chevy. A perfect taxi cab.

    Passenger seat seems high--which is good--eyeball engineering says 22"-23" perhaps. Heated seats. Gadgets galore. WiFi. Backup cam with bending grid to guide you. Power seat for driver. No hood latch. Pull the release twice instead.

    The Cruz conveniently has a small spare tire, with the battery in back like the Challenger. Stock alloys are shod with 205.55.16, a pretty standard size these days. I remember when these were sorta-fatties, like when my wife's PT was new.

    Good space in back. The front seat headrest doesn't bow you down before the king. The petrol refill is on right, handy for long Costco lines. Digital speedo plus the standard four analog gauges. Handy little multi-function display front and center, almost a standard item in today's cars.

    You've come a long way, baby, in 10 years.

    To mine eyes the new Cruze is a handsome car. Not flashy, just well-adjusted and -proportioned.
    The Cruze feels tight, its doors and front and rear lids close with good clunks. The steering is a tad on the heavy side for me, but I prefer '60s one-finger-steering power steering effort so no biggie there. Brake pedal is high. E brake is a foot brake. How American-car-like!

    It's smooth and quiet. It leans very little. I can't feel the trannie shift.

    We cruise around town and then get on the freeway where I boot it. I think my Soul could dust this Cruz, it feels slow. The instruments are easy to see and right in front. Radio and other gadget, and HVAC controls are reasonably simple and logical.

    What it lacks: No Power-Normal-Eco trannie settings. No passenger seat height adjustment. Only Golf and Elantra offer that so far. No sunglasses holder in the ceiling. Odd.
    Dual zone optioning for this car is up into the 27 grand range on the top-end model. Your decently-equipped LT stickers in the mid-22s. Sales guy said a lease should be in the mid-200s for two years @ 12K/year.

    The dual-zone options of course put you into the 17" or 18"wheel class, which in case you didn't know it make you cooler. I am more and more liking the Elantra Eco retrograde 15" wheels.

    Echoing C&D's comments, this car doesn't FEEL like a 7.6 0-60 car. CD test data:

    PRICE AS TESTED:
    $25,035 (base price: $19,995)

    ENGINE TYPE:
    turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve inline-4, aluminum block and head, direct fuel injection

    Displacement:
    85 cu in, 1399 cc
    Power: 153 hp @ 5600 rpm
    Torque: 177 lb-ft @ 2000 rpm

    TRANSMISSIONS:
    6-speed automatic with manual shifting mode

    DIMENSIONS:

    Wheelbase: 106.3 in
    Length: 183.7 in
    Width: 70.6 in Height: 57.4 in
    Passenger volume: 94 cu ft
    Cargo volume: 14 cu ft
    Curb weight: 2944 lb

    C/D TEST RESULTS:

    Zero to 60 mph: 7.6 sec
    Zero to 100 mph: 21.6 sec
    Zero to 120 mph: 35.8 sec
    Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 8.0 sec
    Top gear, 30-50 mph: 4.1 sec
    Top gear, 50-70 mph: 5.2 sec
    Standing Ľ-mile: 15.9 sec @ 89 mph
    Top speed (governor limited): 132 mph
    Braking, 70-0 mph: 168 ft
    Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.82 g

    FUEL ECONOMY:

    EPA city/highway driving: 30/42 mpg
    C/D observed: 33 mpg
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    Re: Cruze

    No passenger seat height adjuster? Did they take that away?
    Ours has one of those barber chair adjuster thingies. Better than nothin'.
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    Good job Neanderthal. I've been giving this little car some serious consideration lately, but have not got in me yet to go drive one. My choice would go to the hatch model. I like the fuel filler on the right too as my Malibu is that way. The mention of the battery reminds me of where it was, in the trunk, on my '04 Le Sabre. Slickest cleanest battery change job I ever did was on that car. I do like the pricing and economy of these Cruze's too. The front seats seem more comfortable and fitting than the last gen. ones I've been in or driven. My don't like list is the sunglasses holder thing, and how they chose to eff up the stereo system for the sake of the kids IMO.

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    Re: Cruze

    Quote Originally Posted by eaton53 View Post
    No passenger seat height adjuster? Did they take that away?
    Ours has one of those barber chair adjuster thingies. Better than nothin'.
    I'll have to go through the little book the sales guy printed out. But he said so and the LT I drove did not have one. Elantra and Golf do.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    Good job Neanderthal. I've been giving this little car some serious consideration lately, but have not got in me yet to go drive one. My choice would go to the hatch model. I like the fuel filler on the right too as my Malibu is that way. The mention of the battery reminds me of where it was, in the trunk, on my '04 Le Sabre. Slickest cleanest battery change job I ever did was on that car. I do like the pricing and economy of these Cruze's too. The front seats seem more comfortable and fitting than the last gen. ones I've been in or driven. My don't like list is the sunglasses holder thing, and how they chose to eff up the stereo system for the sake of the kids IMO.
    Thaxx, one carnut to another carnut. It's funny, I've been driving a hatch for 2 1/2 years and a couple of years before that with my '13 Soul. Cursed Charger in between, briefly. And I really like the hatch, and I came near to buying a hatch Forte5 SX last summer and I've been shopping mainly hatches including the Elantra GT. But as I look more and more, I'm just coming back around to the looks of the sedans. They don't hold as much stuff, but taste is taste.

    The seats seemed fine, though I couldn't get quite right. Too low. Maybe more fiddling would've gotten me to my apex point.
    Sound system? If I can get Plante & el Rushbro on AM radio, I'm a happy camper. The rest is just fluff in my world.
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    Re: Cruze

    So tell us what you really think, is the Cruze a contender (for you) or a pretender?

    What is your thoughts on the Cruze Hatch, GM is claiming all kinds of room, but based on the local of the rear seat-rest and actual views, it seems "+/-" the same as my Volt?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    If I can get Plante & el Rushbro on AM radio, I'm a happy camper. The rest is just fluff in my world.
    Yeah... when I test drive there's no fiddling with infotainments since I listen to sports talk.
    I drive the car and pay very close attention to ride quality. I look for balance, not super sport or super cushy.
    Too one dimensional usually means not knowing how to tune to me. I've driven many great handling cars that rode well.

    I intentionally try to upset 'em... drive on less than perfect roads, hit a bump with one wheel while turning, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    .The seats seemed fine, though I couldn't get quite right. Too low. Maybe more fiddling would've gotten me to my apex point.
    The seats on the Gen 1 Cruzes were really trim dependent for me.
    That meant only top trims worked. IMO, the seats in the Eco were awful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    So tell us what you really think, is the Cruze a contender (for you) or a pretender?

    What is your thoughts on the Cruze Hatch, GM is claiming all kinds of room, but based on the local of the rear seat-rest and actual views, it seems "+/-" the same as my Volt?
    To add to my question, confusion; GM's info:

    2017 Cruze Hatch, GM is Claiming 22.7 behind the rear seats.

    2014 Chevrolet Volt Owners Manual PDF 10.6 cu. ft.

    But then look at the EPA site:

    Compare Side-by-side; 2014 Volt 2017 Cruze Hatch (Specs Tab)

    It says the 2014 Volt is 18 cu. ft. and the Cruze Hatch is 10 cu. ft.
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    Re: Cruze

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    To add to my question, confusion; GM's info:

    2017 Cruze Hatch, GM is Claiming 22.7 behind the rear seats.

    2014 Chevrolet Volt Owners Manual PDF 10.6 cu. ft.

    But then look at the EPA site:

    Compare Side-by-side; 2014 Volt 2017 Cruze Hatch (Specs Tab)

    It says the 2014 Volt is 18 cu. ft. and the Cruze Hatch is 10 cu. ft.
    Guess it depends who one wants to believe. Sort of like those things where we say the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing I guess. Add it to the list of things that make you say "What the Hell?".

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    Guess it depends who one wants to believe. Sort of like those things where we say the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing I guess. Add it to the list of things that make you say "What the Hell?".
    L x W x H; I don't want to "believe" anything, it's math, I want the facts.

    I can understand different methods of measurement, and each coming-up with in-exact numbers, but..............

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    2014 Volt 10.6 cu. ft. - 2017 Cruze Hatch 22.7 cu. ft. (2017 Cruze Hatch 12.1 cu. ft. larger)


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    2014 Volt 18.0 cu. ft. - 2017 Cruze Hatch 10.0 cu. ft. (2014 Volt 8.0 cu. ft. larger)
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    Re: Cruze

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    L x W x H; I don't want to "believe" anything, it's math, I want the facts.

    I can understand different methods of measurement, and each coming-up with in-exact numbers, but..............

    GM Says:

    2014 Volt 10.6 cu. ft. - 2017 Cruze Hatch 22.7 cu. ft. (2017 Cruze Hatch 12.1 cu. ft. larger)


    EPA Says:

    2014 Volt 18.0 cu. ft. - 2017 Cruze Hatch 10.0 cu. ft. (2014 Volt 8.0 cu. ft. larger)
    I would believe your first set of numbers, Ed, at least on the Cruz. I'm not familiar with Volt and don't have its dimensions in front of me.

    But critters of this size, like Elantra GT (hatch) and Cruz hatch are similar in exterior dimensions and I conclude the interior space will be similar.
    E GT is 23 and 51 cu. ft. (their data) with back seats up and down, respectively. Cruz shows 23 and 47 for the same spaces.

    EPA looks like a typo, or another government FUBAR.
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    Re: Cruze

    Is there any small car on the market that drives nicely, that doesn't beat you up on the highway?
    I'm currently renting a Kia small car, and the ride is terrible, even worse than the Camry I had for the last few days!
    Does any small car have a really good ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Show-Me2 View Post
    Does any small car have a really good ride?
    Mercedes C & GLC Class, hands down king of small car ride quality. Bring money.
    Actually, IMO the Encore rides quite well. Not a small feat considering how short it is.
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    Re: Cruze

    I looked at the Cruze and I want to like it, but there is one thing that is keeping me from strongly considering it. Resale/Residiual values.

    Both in projected value and real world value (actual current trade ins), you are losing thousands of dollars on the Cruze compared to the Civic. Price out a mid priced Cruze LT brand new, and a Civic EX-T, and you will walk out the door with either of them for close to the same price. Trade it in with 40,000 miles on it (1-3 years later) and you are getting a few thousand dollars more for the Civic.

    A lot of people may not care about that..and others will keep their cars for 10+ years and well over 100,000 miles so it doesn't matter much to them, but for someone like me, that is too big of a hurdle to overcome for the Cruze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Show-Me2 View Post
    Is there any small car on the market that drives nicely, that doesn't beat you up on the highway?
    I'm currently renting a Kia small car, and the ride is terrible, even worse than the Camry I had for the last few days!
    Does any small car have a really good ride?
    I would check out Elantra and Forte sedans. But that's my bias. CD 2017 Elantra citizen sedan shows a decibel reading of 64 @ 70, pretty quiet for a small car. Both of them have non-aggressive suspensions but are not burdened with excess roll. And can be had cheap.
    The 2017 Elantra Value Edition is pretty loaded including s'n'oof, dual zone, the nanny cross-traffic and blind spot nannies, etc. for under 22 grand. Pretty sweet deal. And at AutoTrader they're showing very cheap, especially in Chicago for some reason. Is that a hot car capital or something?

    I'm going to have to go rent a couple of these to see what they're like on a daily basis.
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