2013 Impala LTZ

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    2013 Impala LTZ

    In my search for an Impala, I've driven a few LTs and one LS. Not any LTZs yet, until today.

    A saleshomie across the river sent me an email saying they had a 2012 LTZ off a rental fleet. I went over there today and of course the car was tied up in the shop. LR window motor was getting some work done. We went out to the shop to eyeball it, I noticed it was grey which was dx'd following the 2011 MY.

    Like a good discarded rental unit, the front tires were well-worn and the rears did not match the fronts. They were some sort of off-brand, perhaps Long Marches courtesy of the ChiCommies, with an aggressive-looking unidirectional tread but probably junk.
    Saleshomie (blamed?) claimed his sales manager told him it was a 2012, but in fact it was an '11.

    We drove a new '13 LTZ. Seats OK, leather of the typical mediocre-at-best quality. At least it didn't have that awful chemfactory smell that some "leather" has. The seat heat worked OK, but just OK. High was too hot and low was too cool. Where is the Baby Bear setting?

    The best part was the suspension, which is noticeably firmer, better-snubbed, and with what feels like a bit more roll control than the LTs. Steering feels a bit quicker, I don't know if that's fact, or if that was just a function of the squatter 18" wheel/tire system.

    With the similar-to-cop-car FE3 suspension and 18" "performance" rubber, does the LTZ also share the 9C1's ungoverned engine?

    It was shod with RS-A which don't get high marks anywhere I've seen them assessed (including me), except apparently somewhere in the nether decision-making regions of GM where "good enough" is still good enough.

    Now, to compare with my two points of reference, my recently-departed 2011 Chrysler 200 Touring 3.6/6A equipped with the excellent Michelin Primacy MXV4 225.55.17 and my current 2013 KIA Soul 1.6, with the stock Nexen junk replaced with Michelin Defenders, size upgraded from 195.65.15 to 215.60.15 which made a HUGE difference in ride and sound quality.

    The Impala LTZ feels comparable to the 200 in ride and handling. The 200 may ride a little better. It was a little heavier and a little quicker, too.

    Good ride with good control including roll control. I think the Chrysler had a better-feeling power steering unit. I know the Soul does, I have grown to greatly appreciate the electric unit. It operates completely independently of the engine belts and such. In the Impala, I can feel the unit working when the car isn't moving.

    Not so in the Soul. The Soul steering unit has no self-centering when coming out of a turn, but that's easily adjusted for.

    The Soul has a harder ride and similar roll control. Of course with a 100 vs. 110 inch wheelbase and curb weight of 2800 vs. 3550, the less mass and 40" shorter length greatly contribute to quickness of maneuverability.

    My 200 had a somewhat indecisive trans, at least at lower speeds. Irritating. The Soul's 6A is better, but it downshifts as I slow down. Why?

    The Impala, perhaps because it's a more ancient soul, leaves well enough alone. I don't see the point in downshifting. I'd have gotten a stick if I wanted to do that.

    No moon roof standard on the '13, IIRC it was standard on the '12 LTZs. I can live without, I like to have the sunglass compartment up there which is a great idea.

    This is the second 3.6 Impala I've noticed some GDI rattle. Not as bad as the first one I heard it in, but unnecessary IMO. Seems to be a strictly case-by-case basis for this rattle. My Soul's GDI makes no telltale noises.

    So...LTZ worth the extra jack?
    Not to this Neanderthal. For one thing, the LTZs go over my imposed budget limit. That aside, the leather is unremarkable, the seat heat is unremarkable, the wing does nussink, nussink! for me outside of irritate me about $200 worth, and the cost of replacing crap 18" Badyear RS-As is higher than the cost of replacing crap 17" Badyear LSs.

    A set of FE3 struts and, perhaps, bars, should run well under a grand. And that, with aftermarket seat heat and the more user-friendly cost, tilts my opinion toward an LT.

    And that's all I know about thayitt. Comments, opinions, and knowledge-upgrades are most welcome
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    Re: 2013 Impala LTZ

    Interesting. I almost took one off the lot for a longer ride today but took a 2013 Traverse 2LT instead. I think the cloth in the LT is nice and never had anyone complain about it to me, 7 years worth of buyers. Never had anyone complain about the tires either though either. A PCK Luxary package LT with a 3.6 would be nice.

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    ^^ Most folks don't spend inordinate amounts of time digesting Tire Rack and other tire data mines.
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    Re: 2013 Impala LTZ

    How much difference do you find the LTZ is over the LT in the used market? Is it that big of a difference? Could that be negated when you go to sell it in the future? Do you happen to get any sort of emotional utility from owning the "top-o-the-line" Impala? Would you be better served picking up a '12 LTZ so that you get the sunroof and save some $?
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    Re: 2013 Impala LTZ

    Why buy a new American sedan? The depreciate so quickly that they are HUUUUUUGE bargains on the used car market.

    I'd still look for a 2012 LTZ.

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    I just picked up a 2013 LTZ at Pittsburgh airport last week from National. A 2nd rental 500 mile car. Fully loaded, with sunroof , XM radio, etc. The nicest rental I've had in years...

    That said , this is a surprisingly good vehicle in the LTZ trim. It has aged very well as an inexpensive full size car that people still want or need. But I saw the new 2014 car in person last month at the Miami Auto Show and it is world's nicer.

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    Re: 2013 Impala LTZ

    I seriously doubt you get the 9C1 ungoverned engine.

    The only good thing about the RS-A's were that with proper inflation and rotation we got over 54k out of them.

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    Re: 2013 Impala LTZ

    Quote Originally Posted by demonspeed View Post
    How much difference do you find the LTZ is over the LT in the used market? Is it that big of a difference? Could that be negated when you go to sell it in the future? Do you happen to get any sort of emotional utility from owning the "top-o-the-line" Impala? Would you be better served picking up a '12 LTZ so that you get the sunroof and save some $?
    About three grand. I cite Laria Chevrolet in Ohio, they have a good supply of low-miles 2012 LTs for 15 grand. LTs are actually priced at $14,950, LTZ $17,950, LT/sunroof $15,490.

    I don't want a roof, especially if I have to pay for it.

    No, I don't get any jollies from owning an LTZ vs. an LT. If I did, I'd shop used Caddys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prowlerjc View Post
    Why buy a new American sedan? The depreciate so quickly that they are HUUUUUUGE bargains on the used car market.

    I'd still look for a 2012 LTZ.
    I'm talking used. I plan on taking advantage of the almost-50% first-year value loss. I drove new because that was all they had, because the used car homeboy didn't know a 2011 from a 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by JerryL View Post
    I just picked up a 2013 LTZ at Pittsburgh airport last week from National. A 2nd rental 500 mile car. Fully loaded, with sunroof , XM radio, etc. The nicest rental I've had in years...

    That said , this is a surprisingly good vehicle in the LTZ trim. It has aged very well as an inexpensive full size car that people still want or need. But I saw the new 2014 car in person last month at the Miami Auto Show and it is world's nicer.
    Glad you had a good experience. I wonder if the value of the Impalas will take another crash once the 2014 Caprice hits the gangway.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrCritical View Post
    I seriously doubt you get the 9C1 ungoverned engine.

    The only good thing about the RS-A's were that with proper inflation and rotation we got over 54k out of them.
    They're useless in snow. My wife had them on a '99 Mopar and they were worthless in snow then and according to TR they still are.

    For the money, one can do much better. I'm a wee bit picky about what I ride around on.
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    Re: 2013 Impala LTZ

    We get to test out the RSA's on our Malibu today in our first "real" snow of the season. Add me to the list of Tire Rack fans... May be getting an order from me shortly (going with BFG's, however).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    ...I'm a wee bit picky about what I ride around on.
    More so than what you ride around in.
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    Re: 2013 Impala LTZ

    Just keep looking until you find a 2012 LTZ on the used market...there are tons of them out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cwilson View Post
    More so than what you ride around in.
    No Sedan de Villes on the lot. So sorry.

    Quote Originally Posted by All Star View Post
    Just keep looking until you find a 2012 LTZ on the used market...there are tons of them out there.
    LTZ is the plan I think. Fewer mods needed, FE3 standard, heated seats, I have some 16" GM steelies I can use for snows.
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    Re: 2013 Impala LTZ

    I could swear I read somewhere, maybe on the Impala forums, that all 2008 on up LTZ's with there std 18" wheels have a higher top speed than the LS/LT models with there smaller lesser rated tires. I'll see if I can find out for sure.

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    Re: 2013 Impala LTZ

    Ever have any luck finding one, Neander?
    In my fruitless attempt to make a deal on a new 2012 or 2013 LTZ, I did find a 2012 LTZ in Asheville, NC, which it turned out was a demo with 5k miles on it. I was interested until the dealer told me it had a 7/2011 build date. I believe this would have been one of the first off the line with the 3.6. That, and the fact that they seemed to be treating this vehicle as a cherry when we discussed pricing via several e-mails, made me decide not to make the 60 mile journey over the mountains to drive it.
    I'm still looking, but only half-heartedly now.
    Locally, the Nissan dealers are discounting their vehicles more than Chevy...... even with my GM Card points, I can score about $1k more off a Nissan right now. That just ain't right....LOL

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