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    A more positive look at the Impala

    There has been a great deal of negative hysteria surrounding the new Impala, with hyperbolic criticism from many, including myself. However, given some time to look at it, I think this is unfair. In every respect this car is a definate contender beyond any other midsize GM car. Here's some comparison to its main competitors - the Camry and Accord.

    Exterior

    Camry

    Accord

    Impala


    Interior

    Camry


    Accord


    Impala


    Specs

    Camry

    Base: 2.4l 4cyl 160hp 163lb/ft
    Mid-Range: 3.0 L V6 210HP 220lb/ft
    Top: 3.3L V6 225hp 240lb ft
    Transmission: 5-Speed manual w. Available 5-Speed auto in base models, standard 5-Speed in V6 models.

    Accord

    Base: 4-cyl 160 hp 161lb/ft
    Mid-Range: 240hp 212lb/ft
    Top: 240hp 212lb/ft
    5-speed maunal or 5-speed auto

    Impala
    Base: 3.5l 210hp 220lb/ft
    Mid-Range: 3.9l 240hp 360lb/ft(?)
    Top: 5.3 V8 303hp 323lb/ft
    4-speed auto

    Conclusion: I think this new car compares much better, epsecially on interior, than either the old Impala or the other W-bodies. Its now ahead on engines. If one assumes that the price range remains similar, a 3.5 Impala should be equivilant to the 4-cyl Accord and Camry, while the 3.9 beats both the competitors midrange, and the 5.3 has no comparison.
    I think this comparison is much more important than the comparison to the 300C. Inspite of that cars success, it did not sell as well as these Japanese offerings. These are the cars to beat, and Impala no longer embarasses itself to the point of needing big rebates to move.
    BTW: MUCH better pics of Impala are at Chevy.com.
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    Re: A more positive look at the Impala

    Wow, the Accord looks so incredibly boring in that pic.

    One grripe I have is that the SS has nothing to make it looks like an SS visually. The facias might be different the the other models, but it doesn't have any sportyness to them, IMO.

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    Re: A more positive look at the Impala

    I much enjoy the Accords styling. Especially the interior. If I had to rate these cars from greatest to worst it would be, Accord, Camry, Impala. The Impala is an OK, just OK effort from Chevy, but still lacks and falls behind in areas. Just look at those three interiors. Comparing them I just don't know how someone could honestly say the Impala's is better. Certainly the quality is not...I just wish someone over at GM would design some great interiors that are more interesting and less boring like the Accord and Camry. I wonder if someone will one day?

    Welp...guess not....at least not one that would make it into production.....

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    The one thing Impala is really missing is GPS. Its on the GP I beleive, so I wonder why it didn't make the Impala?
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    Re: A more positive look at the Impala

    I've always had a problem with the newest Accord's exterior.

    In my book they rank like this:

    Exterior:
    Impala
    Camry
    ...
    Accord

    Interior:
    Impala
    Accord
    ...
    Camry

    Engines:
    Impala
    ......
    Accord
    Camry

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    Re: A more positive look at the Impala

    Good comparison dav305z. You're right, when you put the Impala under the light alongside its competition, the Impala has made leaps and bounds, IMO anyway. The Camry is so boring its gross. The exterior of the Camry looks awkward for some reason, maybe it's just the picture, but the rest of the body is wasted compared to an attractive front end. The Accord I like. Its exterior is attractive and the interior doesn't disappoint. However, when all is said and done, as the Impala continues to grow on me I like its interior the best out of all three and I think it's too close to call with the Accord. All of this is just my two cents but that's how I see it. As for engine options, nothing comes close to the Chev.
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    Re: A more positive look at the Impala

    yeah i think my charts would go

    Exterior
    Impala
    Camry
    Accord

    Interior
    Accord
    Impala
    Camry

    Engine
    Impala
    Accord
    Camry

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    [/QUOTE]Mid-Range: 3.9l 240hp 360lb/ft(?)[QUOTE]
    it only 245 lb/ft.
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    Re: A more positive look at the Impala

    I like the exterior of the Impalla the best but even though the interior is improved I like the others better. Does anyone know the base prices of all the V6 versions.

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    Re: A more positive look at the Impala

    Points well taken, dav305c, and thanks for reframing this discussion. However, where on God's green earth has GM been for the last two or three years? If folks think Honda in particular is going to stand around sucking their collective thumb waiting for the Impala to out-horsepower the Accord they got another think coming. 2003 Accord had 5speed auto and abs. The LX auto was priced right at $20000, and getting one at wholesale/invoice--about $18000--was not difficult. The equivalent Impala is priced $3000-$4000 more and then the rebate game is played. That is so stupid I cannot believe it. Unless you can come up with $5G in rebates you pay more for the Impala. That is called not being competitively priced, hello?
    When the 300+ hp Impala V8 hits the streets, you can bet a 3.5L+ Accord w/ 6-speed stick/auto won't be far behind. These GM motors, or the 3.8 equivalent (to the 3.9/3.5), should have hit the tarmac at least two years ago. GM has pretty much sat on their rears re: 3.8 development since Y2000 or earlier. Hello? When the 2006 Impala comes out the 8th gen 2008 Accord will be right around the corner. Doesn't anyone at any of Chevy's hundreds of brain trust meetings ever ask why they're still playing catch-up?
    And for 90% of car magazine writers there is no engine other than an ohc. I personally like the noises and feel of an ohv much better. But in CR and CD--don't even mention the twits at R&T--and others its oh(v) my what a neanderthal motor WHEN are they going to wake up and go sewing machine (ohc) for us?
    As for looks, I think Chev should go 60s retro, not 90s retro. At first glance I thought this Impala photo that's circulating was a late 90s Taurus. At second glance it sure looks like a 90s Lumina. Neither of those IMO is a noteworthy styling job. For me, it takes more than fat tires and an idiot wing--hey, give me some good old tail fins!!--on the rump to say I am one good looking car.
    I hope Chevy keeps the interior simple and straightforward. That is why I bought my 2004 Impala: the Bonnevilles are so gadgety and swoopy they look like they're vying for a part on the next Star Wars set. The Lesabre has buttons buttons all over the dash and no dual zone. The Regal has its vents about 5" too low and no bench. The Olds...oh, they got fired. It was the car's fault, not incompetent management. The new Accord has magic lights in the instruments and some sort of memory test for the radio volume knob.
    Well I've rambled on long enough. I want my Chevy good-handling, good-stopping, solid, simple, quick, handsome with generational references, abs-equipped, quality-built, and priced right. My needs are few.
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    Re: A more positive look at the Impala

    You can throw all the positives you want at this car but it still reminds me of the 1999 Lumina I had.

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    Re: A more positive look at the Impala

    Ill admit I like the new Impala, I was unsure at first but the more I see of it the more I like. The picutre of the interior really doesnt do it justice I think. A close up of the gauges/dash like the Accord/Camry would show more detail I think. One thing is hurting the Impala and thats its lack of navigation. I could care less if a car has it or not, but it needs to be an option to compete with the Accord/Camry. Any feature you fail to offer makes the competition one feature better.
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    Re: A more positive look at the Impala

    Quote Originally Posted by LAMRONH
    As for looks, I think Chev should go 60s retro, not 90s retro.
    I disagree. I'm not a big fan of the retro look; a retro Thunderbird is one thing, but a retro Impala is something else.

    The Lesabre has ... no dual zone.

    The Limited model does

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    Re: A more positive look at the Impala

    Quote Originally Posted by dav305z
    The one thing Impala is really missing is GPS. Its on the GP I beleive, so I wonder why it didn't make the Impala?
    I would think that they would make an optional Navigation... I will look into that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMfan2381
    Ill admit I like the new Impala, I was unsure at first but the more I see of it the more I like. The picutre of the interior really doesnt do it justice I think. A close up of the gauges/dash like the Accord/Camry would show more detail I think. One thing is hurting the Impala and thats its lack of navigation. I could care less if a car has it or not, but it needs to be an option to compete with the Accord/Camry. Any feature you fail to offer makes the competition one feature better.
    You're right. I couldn't find a better interior pic but one with the same angle as the Honda and Toyota would help it. Same for the exterior actually. ANd just a correction as 86fleet said, torque on the 3.9 is 245, my bad.
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