Malibu diesel? Can the Equinox/Cruze 1.6L power the 'bu?

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    Malibu diesel? Can the Equinox/Cruze 1.6L power the 'bu?

    Diesel's not dead: 2017 Chevy Cruze Diesel claims 52 mpg highway

    The flow of information about the 2017 Chevrolet Cruze Diesel has never been more than a trickle. We know it will start at $24,670. We know there will be a hatchback diesel in 2018. Today, we learn the 2017 Cruze Diesel equipped with the six-speed manual gets a stellar EPA-estimated 52-mpg highway rating. No, still no official photos.

    Combined fuel economy for the manual-equipped diesel Cruze is 37 mpg, while city driving is rated at 30 mpg. Cruze Diesels with the nine-speed automatic are rated at 47-mpg highway and 31 city, which gives it the same 37-mpg combined rating.

    “Chevrolet is dedicated to offering customers a wide range of propulsion options. We know there are customers looking for the right combination of fuel efficiency, driving dynamics, fuel type and more.

    http://autoweek.com/article/green-ca...ual-racks-mpgs


    So can the 137 hp/240 lb-ft of torque provided by the 1.6L turbo diesel used in both the Cruze and Equinox propel the Malibu to a segment all to itself?

    The Passat no longer offers a diesel. Diesel buyers seem to be incredibly loyal and pretty careful with upkeep and maintenance. Can Chevrolet exploit VW's misfortune by offering a segment exclusive diesel for mid sized cars in the USA? Would this help generate buzz for a mid sized car that struggles in a segment that seems to be losing ground to crossovers?

    The Malibu is slightly lighter than the new Equinox. Both have 9 speed transmissions already.
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    Re: Malibu diesel? Can the Equinox/Cruze 1.6L power the 'bu?

    Why would owners switch from a German VW diesel to a German GM diesel? They will be savvy enough to realise that GM's 4-cylinder diesels come from Opel.

    The regulation compliance issue in Germany, whole EU really, is far wider than just VW Group - no-one there is totally clean, certainly not Opel/Vauxhall.

    In the US it may look like VW Group is the only bad-boy but that's because they totally dominated the US 4-cylinder diesel market.

    Couple all that with the fact that diesel passenger cars is a tiny market in the US and global concern about the environmental effect of diesels generally makes it more likely that no-one will sell diesel cars in the US, rather than a sales opportunity.

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    I'd love to see a diesel in the impala instead. Perfect highway cruiser.
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    I'd love to see a diesel in the impala instead. Perfect highway cruiser.
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    The hp isn't impressive but as with most diesels the tq is admirable.

    I'd consider driving this to weigh it against a hybrid.

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    Re: Malibu diesel? Can the Equinox/Cruze 1.6L power the 'bu?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    Why would owners switch from a German VW diesel to a German GM diesel?
    Didn't VW announce it will no longer sell diesels in the USA? Owners in the United States who want a newer car and are loyal to diesel would be the potential market member12 is speaking about. I haven't been following the more recent news so correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I have heard, VW still never came out with a "fix" for US cars that the EPA was willing to accept, meaning a used VW diesel is off the table as well.

    It just comes down to if the customer would remain loyal to VW or to the diesel aspect. If Chevy can offer an attractive diesel option, they may be able to grab buyers who already prefer diesel and wouldn't have any way to buy a new VW TDI.
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    Re: Malibu diesel? Can the Equinox/Cruze 1.6L power the 'bu?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cphelps View Post
    Didn't VW announce it will no longer sell diesels in the USA? Owners in the United States who want a newer car and are loyal to diesel would be the potential market member12 is speaking about. I haven't been following the more recent news so correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I have heard, VW still never came out with a "fix" for US cars that the EPA was willing to accept, meaning a used VW diesel is off the table as well.

    It just comes down to if the customer would remain loyal to VW or to the diesel aspect. If Chevy can offer an attractive diesel option, they may be able to grab buyers who already prefer diesel and wouldn't have any way to buy a new VW TDI.
    It certainly looks like VW have totally abandoned diesel in North America - their customers who are wedded to diesel won't just buy the nearest available diesel, some will take their VW compensation but not the buy-back - I imagine that as owners of a German import brand, they're more aware that not just VW is implicated in Germany.

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    Re: Malibu diesel? Can the Equinox/Cruze 1.6L power the 'bu?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    Why would owners switch from a German VW diesel to a German GM diesel? They will be savvy enough to realise that GM's 4-cylinder diesels come from Opel.

    The regulation compliance issue in Germany, whole EU really, is far wider than just VW Group - no-one there is totally clean, certainly not Opel/Vauxhall.

    In the US it may look like VW Group is the only bad-boy but that's because they totally dominated the US 4-cylinder diesel market.

    Couple all that with the fact that diesel passenger cars is a tiny market in the US and global concern about the environmental effect of diesels generally makes it more likely that no-one will sell diesel cars in the US, rather than a sales opportunity.
    1. GM diesels are not German, they are if you want to call them European, call them Italian, they are developed at GM Powertrain Torino.
    2. GM Diesels in the United States meet the same exact standards that petrol engines meet, that is California air resources board diesel regulations

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    1. GM diesels are not German, they are if you want to call them European, call them Italian, they are developed at GM Powertrain Torino.
    2. GM Diesels in the United States meet the same exact standards that petrol engines meet, that is California air resources board diesel regulations
    1. I actually call them Fiat JTDs as that's what they're derived from - Fiat is getting almost as much stick for cheating in Europe as VW - and Opel is implicated.

    2. So did VW's until they got caught.

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    Re: Malibu diesel? Can the Equinox/Cruze 1.6L power the 'bu?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    1. GM diesels are not German, they are if you want to call them European, call them Italian, they are developed at GM Powertrain Torino.
    2. GM Diesels in the United States meet the same exact standards that petrol engines meet, that is California air resources board diesel regulations
    It is not just about where the work is done whatever that really means in detail.

    It's also about the Organizations and Departments et al involved.... plus any outsiders..... and then finally about the people themselves.

    The 1.6 has been described by GM as primarily a three way effort.

    As here - in FEB 2013, ahead of Opel's auto show introduction.

    " The new 1.6 CDTI ECOTEC diesel and its engine control unit were entirely developed in-house by a global team of engineers in Turin, Rüsselsheim and the USA. "
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    Re: Malibu diesel? Can the Equinox/Cruze 1.6L power the 'bu?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    Couple all that with the fact that diesel passenger cars is a tiny market in the US and global concern about the environmental effect of diesels generally makes it more likely that no-one will sell diesel cars in the US, rather than a sales opportunity.
    The 1.6L has gotten the thumbs up from the EPA along with the 2.8L used in the Colorado. This occurred after they were informed of VW's cheating scandal. It's ridiculous to assume that just because it is a diesel that it is designed with a cheat and will thus fail emissions.

    General Motors, Chrysler, Ford, and Mazda are all expanding their diesel lineup in the USA now that VW is forced to play by the same rules as everyone else. VW's diesel engines getting the death penalty is actually good for diesel buyers in the US. Looks like they'll get more options in the long run....although they'll all include DEF.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    It certainly looks like VW have totally abandoned diesel in North America - their customers who are wedded to diesel won't just buy the nearest available diesel, some will take their VW compensation but not the buy-back - I imagine that as owners of a German import brand, they're more aware that not just VW is implicated in Germany.
    Every VW diesel owner I know is reluctantly taking the buy back.

    Again. VW's diesel cheat has nothing to do with diesels from unrelated companies in the US. Please stop hijacking the thread.
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    Re: Malibu diesel? Can the Equinox/Cruze 1.6L power the 'bu?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cobaltss_King View Post
    I'd love to see a diesel in the impala instead. Perfect highway cruiser.
    Impala would be a nice option. It's a little heavier at 3800 lbs though.

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    Re: Malibu diesel? Can the Equinox/Cruze 1.6L power the 'bu?

    Quote Originally Posted by member12 View Post
    The 1.6L has gotten the thumbs up from the EPA along with the 2.8L used in the Colorado. This occurred after they were informed of VW's cheating scandal. It's ridiculous to assume that just because it is a diesel that it is designed with a cheat and will thus fail emissions.

    General Motors, Chrysler, Ford, and Mazda are all expanding their diesel lineup in the USA now that VW is forced to play by the same rules as everyone else. VW's diesel engines getting the death penalty is actually good for diesel buyers in the US. Looks like they'll get more options in the long run....although they'll all include DEF.



    Every VW diesel owner I know is reluctantly taking the buy back.

    Again. VW's diesel cheat has nothing to do with diesels from unrelated companies in the US. Please stop hijacking the thread.
    You'll get your way - Opel/Vauxhall looks likely to be taken over by PSA who make better diesels than Opel so likely to use them - leaving Chevrolet, Buick and Cadillac as the only user of GM Powertrain diesels.

    In other news, diesel engines generally are being hounded out by politicians and environmentalists across Europe - so the US can become the last hurrah for diesels.

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    Re: Malibu diesel? Can the Equinox/Cruze 1.6L power the 'bu?

    First of all, VW's hands are tied. And so are their feet.

    They are also effectively Gagged.

    Buried in the US Agreement is the provision that VW is enjoined from providing MYR 2017 Diesel Product.

    Theoretically, they could provide MYR 2018 Diesel Product anywhere in CYR 2017 .... which ain't going to happen either, because of all the crooked Swords of Damocles hangin' over their head, which are also part of the Agreement.

    When you get to CYR 2018 and some things are fully resolved plus some others are firmly in hand..... then and only then....... will there be both a possibility of VW speaking more freely ( but not fully so) ... and then and only then do you stand even a remote chance of hearing anything positive from them concerning US Diesel.

    Obviously, if they are smart, they will come roaring back ASAP which is why everything has been rigged in the Agreement to push that off as late as possible.

    The idea is to discourage / prevent reentry until CYR 2019 / 2020 and then also run anything and everything against small vehicle Diesel past those dates.
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