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    The Corvette Stingray C7.. and C3, C4, C5, and C6. A Personal Review

    As an owner of 5 of the 7 generations of Corvettes I feel the need to give some input into where we have come from and where we may be going.


    C3. Codename: Lmas




    I loved this car. 1979 L82 T-Top. 225HP/270lbs of Torque. 0-60 in 6.6 secs,

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    fuel economy that came in at about 15mpg.. on the road.. and looks that were constantly and consistently getting me ass. Well.. it and my gorgeous smile, beautiful eye-lashes, and way with words… smooth as a butter, and tasty as sweet cream I was 22 years old (1995)… and was able to afford this because I knu how to hustle.. in more way than one. “sell me the pen?” No *** sell me the pen, the paper, and the mind that came up with the thought.”

    This car started off as a shell. A wreck. I went to Bethesda, MD to buy a 1971 Corvette LT1. Got there and the guy, who is most likely dead to the world, as he had to have been about 70 back then, with oxygen tubes and the tank rolling behind him, tells me to look over my shoulder.. I was 5 minutes to late.. the buyer of that car was literally loading it on the roll-back. He then pointed me towards a grey (oxidation, as the car was supposed to be black) 1979 Corvette, with the front fender, ripped above the wheel-well, interior a mess, seats torn, radio gone, carpet dirty, t-top panel interior headliner missing, wheels un-polished, engine blown… AAAARRGH!!! WTF? I had $5,000 in my hand and I hired a roll-back to drive 60 miles to get here from Baltimore. “LOAD HER UP!!!” I said. I had some work to do, because a Vette is a Vette, and I was gonna save her, make her sexy again, make her mine, make her do things for me, to me. Hard work, and my dad and I salvaged this bad boy. After Cam, and complete engine rebuild, I didn’t have access to a Dyno, but I’m pretty sure I was well over the 225HP mark that Chevy had originally shipped her with. Body fixed, repainted in the most pristine Black, new carper, Oyster colored interior, wheels polished, exhaust modded.. OOOOOH the Summer of 1995 was a helluva good time.


    In comes Spring 1996.

    My C4, Codename: Root.



    I was 23. I came across this darling 1995 Auto LT1. 300HP/335lbs of torque. 0-60 in 5.2secs, ¼ 13.7.

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    Corvette in damn near perfect condition. Owner was selling her because of a divorce. I had made a lot of money that year doing this. . doing that… so I figured I treat myself. The year before he had paid about $40,000 for her.. I got her for $33,000 Cash.. with about 6K on the ODO. In all honesty no work was necessary, but me being me, had to get into her and do a few mods. In the end, we yield a dyno tested 375HP, and she was the fastest thing I had driven in a long time. Handled like a champ. This vehicle was tight. The Z51 suspension/handling package. It’s competitors at the time were the Supra TT, the 3000GT, Mazda RX7, NSX, and even Porsche 911. This car went up against all of them and very seldom let me down. I will say this in remembering. The interior of this car, IMO, came off as superior to the one that would follow in my C5. They were called Sport Seats, and they were more adjustable, better side bolstering.

    My C5, Codename: Mary Jane.





    I had this one when I first posted here on Motor Trend Forum way back in 2005, as I had purchased here new in 2000 for a negotiated $45,000. The 1998 MTCOTY, the LS1 and new Body Style brought the Corvette into a new stratosphere of sexy. It had a few bits yanked from the Acura NSX and RX7… but it’s style was still unmistakably CORVETTE. Last of the hidden headlights, the car was a marvel. 345HP/350lbs of torque.. 0-60 mph in 4.8 seconds, and it can deliver a 13.2-second quarter mile at 109.3 mph

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    Of course I modded her so my times would be different.

    Awesome Awesome Awesome car. The interior was admittedly cheap.. and IMO, a low point in GM history. The term fisher-price was constantly used, but for the cost… easily forgotten considering the looks of the exterior and complete packaged performance. Handled 10x better than the C4.. even the C4 ZR1. Acceleration was spectacular, and something that I had never thought possible with the C3 and C4.. when U took the top out, a much easier feat considering the C4 U needed a supplied Torx Ratchet, using just three handles, the car’s structural rigidity remained in tact. What I’m saying is whether the tops were in or not, the car was just as solid. In the C3 and C4 (F-Bodies too) if you took the tops out, and hit a bump.. U literally would jitter and shake almost into the next lane if U were moving fast enough. In the C5.. that was gone. Chevy had engineered the vehicle as a convertible this time to be as rigid and stable as a hardtop. Putting the top in, or in the case of the ‘Vert.. up, only strengthened it even more. Hence the reason why the C5 Z06 and FRC were even better handlers. Outside of the cheaping out on the interior, which still was better than everything outside of Porsche and above territory, the C5 was a virtual luxury sports-car. The C6 would take it to the next level.

    In comes 2008 C6 Z51.. and the announcement of KATYA





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    Katya came in Feb 2008. We all kno the specs. Stock 436HP/428lbs of torque. 4.1 0-60, and a ¼ in 12.5 115mph.

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    Mine, a 3LT Z51 NPP 6Speed Man.. went to the “Mustang Dyno” Reading out 394.2HP/382.7lbs at the Wheels... after some slight mods of a Breathless CAI and some TWEAKING to the Computer, came back at 414.6 HP/402LBS AT THE WHEELS. This put the LS3 at about 487 at the fly.

    AMAZING!!! The car did everything but fly.. and on one crazy night, me and a whole lotta Makers Mark.. she just may have done that Do a search for my “Street Racing Chronicles” and U will read about some crazy throw downs, with Mustangs, 911 Turbos.. Vipers… The car was easily the best Corvette ever still considered a base model. Looks wise the, the C5 was smoother, more exotic looking IMO. It just had a certain “Space-Ship” look to it, especially because of the larger rear perception. The C6 went back to the rear of the original C4. It slimmed down in some respects because Chevy wanted to export it to Europe. Performance-wise they slammed damn near everything that came its way.

    Example:

    From a Motor Trend Post by Moi.. back in ’08 after a loss and then a re-match between myself and a now friend of mine’s 911 Turbo:

    I had him... I swear I had him...from the light him and I took off... I mean the smell of our rubber was a smell that uuuuuuuuuuh... OH LORD it was sweet... Coming out of the cut... in first... shift to 2nd "CHIRP!!!!" ... we are side by side... "CHIRP" into 3rd.... I got him....
    Now this is the most humiliating thing I've ever done...

    I got the mofo... in his $115K BRAND NEW 911Turbo... Beautiful Black... Gorgeous 911.... and I and anxious... blood boiling..
    I go to shift to 4th... and MISS MY GEAR!!!... <
    "ROOOOEEEERRR!!!!" My baby goes <

    I rev all the way up to 6300 RPM at least.... because I MISSED MY GEAR...and he PULLS the EFF AWAY.

    When we get to the corner... right before U get to the "Green Turtle" in Westminster...

    He says to me, "Daaaaam Son... Learn to shift that thing... then come back and see me..."

    Laughs at me and drives away...

    as I have my head down.... in SHAME

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    The Rematch:
    “When I got home I had to pull up reason for this... I mean despite the extra HP I have received from the RAM Air and the Tune... the guy was still rolling in a 911 Turbo... a car that is more on par with a Z06 than mine...
    I found what could be the explanation tho... FROM Car And Driver....

    Back in Sept 2006's issue of C&D they tested a Z06 vs F430 vs 911Turbo... The Z06 kicked their asses in almost every performance test but was voted #3 because #1 it was American... #2.. the interior... and #3... the infamous "GOTTA HAVE IT" factor

    Anyway... looking at the performance numbers might show U the reason...

    0-60 for the 911 was 3.4, Z06 3.5, F430 4.1.. BUT... 5-60 for the 911 was 4.6, while the Z06 pulled it in 4.0, and in the 1/4 the Z06 won the race 11/[email protected] vs the 911's [email protected] the F430 which won the comparo overall came in DEAD last in almost every test... except GOTTA HAVE.

    OK... I don't have a Z06, but I am only kicking about 30HP less than it... and after taking a look at C&D's test of the 2008 Z51...

    The STOCK Z51 pulled the 5-60 mark in 4.8secs... .2 behind the Turbo... with my car not exactly being stock.. and us essentially negating his AWD advantage by rolling to 5mph... I think I came up with the explanation....


    Ironically.. if my Z51 had of been STOCK... and the race had of been between myself an a F430 owner... I would have still cooked his ass, as the F430 and the Z51 have times that are more in favor of the STOCK Z51... even in the 1/4... with the Z51 puling the 1/4 in [email protected] while the F430 pulls it in [email protected] .


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    The Birth of SASHA.. C7 Z51, 7Speed Man, NPP, 3LT..





    Ported Throttle Body, CAI.. and the mods stop there. Stock HP at 460/465lbs of torque.. 1.11 g cornering, 0 to 60 in 3.7 seconds, ironically, when operating as a 3.1-liter V-4, the LT1 produces 126 hp and 221 lb-ft at 3000 rpm which is enough to maintain 90 mph on flat ground. That’s stock. This car has not been dynoded.. but the idea is that with the throttle body mod and CAI I should be easily in the same realm as the C6 Z06 in terms of HP. This is definitely faster than Katya was.. seat of the pants.. maybe.. but it comes off the line and accelerated in a way that most AWD supercars wish they could.

    Put it to U like this.. I loved my Katya. She did everything U’d see in the raunchiest porno….. but Sasha takes it to the next level. She bring 3 girlfriends to the party… and U don’t need to convince any of them to take it up 9 notches. The Look is more exotic than most Ferraris. The Interior makes Jaguars look like Fords again. The Performance embarrasses fools who spent twice and thrice the price. Quite frankly GM could, and should repackage this, with a bump in base power to about 500.. 8 speed transmission and 7speed man.. even more upscale leather and lace.. ELR looks, and Hard or Soft-Top, no coupe.. They could legitimately charge $95K out the door.

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    Re: The Corvette Stingray C7.. and C3, C4, C5, and C6. A Personal Review

    Nice read - And I'd agree with you on your thoughts about C7.
    You have to hand it to Chevy - every generation of Vette improved, and in some cases vastly so. And they did so, much of the time, with limited funds and the sword of Damocles constantly above their heads (especially in the 80's).
    I do wonder though, of all the vettes you've owned, two key questions:
    1. Which was the most quintessential vette? - the one that truly typified what Corvettes are supposed to be?
    2. What was the worst flaw (aside from the interior) of all the vehicles owned?

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    Good stuff MiatsoCi. Are you a member of Corvette Club of America? My brother, who is a BMW CCA member, has many friends who autocross and do High Performance Driving Events using Corvettes, and he's attended many track events in which multiple car clubs, including the Corvette Club, participated.

    As an owner of a track ready E36 M3, my brother once did a friendly competition with a 2002 C5 Corvette Z06 owner in which each of them drove the other person's car: two laps with the M3 and two laps with the Z06. My brother was quite impressed with the Z06's agility.
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    Re: The Corvette Stingray C7.. and C3, C4, C5, and C6. A Personal Review

    Excellent read. Thanks for the insights.

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    Re: The Corvette Stingray C7.. and C3, C4, C5, and C6. A Personal Review

    I enjoyed that.
    We are the same age but I just picked up my first vette 2 days ago. An '08 Z51 with about $30k in mods interior and still NA and had only 12k miles when I picked it up.
    My car has only 451 rwhp (Dynojet) and I can't believe how fast it is. Even with a mini tub and warmed up 345 Michelin pilot Supersports 2nd gear spins wildly out of control at anything over 5k rpm.
    Can hardly wait to get it to the road track for a proper workout.

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    Re: The Corvette Stingray C7.. and C3, C4, C5, and C6. A Personal Review

    Quote Originally Posted by JBsZ06 View Post
    Excellent read. Thanks for the insights.
    Thanks JB. U and I had the same C6 for a while. I think almost exactly alike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suns_PSD View Post
    I enjoyed that.
    We are the same age but I just picked up my first vette 2 days ago. An '08 Z51 with about $30k in mods interior and still NA and had only 12k miles when I picked it up.
    My car has only 451 rwhp (Dynojet) and I can't believe how fast it is. Even with a mini tub and warmed up 345 Michelin pilot Supersports 2nd gear spins wildly out of control at anything over 5k rpm.
    Can hardly wait to get it to the road track for a proper workout.
    U'll enjoy it. Corvettes are Corvettes. They have so much going for them it isn't even funny.

    The other day I was coming down the highway, and empty area at the time, and this C5 jumps on me outta no where. I ran him hard.. constantly thinking "there is no way this thing is stock." Come to find out after we pulled over to yap yap.. it was a State Trooper friend of mine I hadn't seen in like 6 years. He had just bought this C5 in April and had bought it with a SWEET Magnuson Supercharger sitting on top and Billy Boat exhaust. He said it was dynoed at 503 HP and I believe it as I couldn't pull away from him.. and he couldn't pull away from me.

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    Re: The Corvette Stingray C7.. and C3, C4, C5, and C6. A Personal Review

    Thanks for the write-up! I remember driving my first C4 (I'm a little older than you, born in '68). I was so disappointed, I lusted after that car, but the thing squeaked and rattled so much I was really turned off. Then I drove the C5, it was unbelievable! I can only imagine how good the C7 is!

    Couple of questions:
    1) Which one had the biggest improvement generation over generation? Was it the C4 to C5?
    2) Which had the least improvement over the previous generation?
    3) How were they on the wallet to own as far as repairs and maintenance?

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    Thanks for the write-up! I remember driving my first C4 (I'm a little older than you, born in '68). I was so disappointed, I lusted after that car, but the thing squeaked and rattled so much I was really turned off. Then I drove the C5, it was unbelievable! I can only imagine how good the C7 is!

    Couple of questions:
    1) Which one had the biggest improvement generation over generation? Was it the C4 to C5?
    2) Which had the least improvement over the previous generation?
    3) How were they on the wallet to own as far as repairs and maintenance?


    1) I would easily say C3 to C4. Keep in mind that the C3 debuted a year before your birth and died the year U were either in 10th or 11th grade. That's 17 years. The internals stayed the same as well.. and possibly had gone BACKWARDS due to emissions BS that ruled the 70s. Look at this:






    Both were tight to work on, but the C4, even with the glorious clamshell hood was pretty much like sticking your hands in a meat grinder. I have SCARS ON MY HANDS TODAY, from working on my C4, even just changing the damn spark plugs!!!. Now I'm angry.. Thanks


    2) I'm gonna say C5 to C6. The real joy was certainly in the transition from LS1 to LS2 then LS3, but the C6 and C5, to me.. almost look like they share parts in some areas. The mirrors for one. Interior-wise the C6 made a damn nice leap.


    3) The 79 was my most expensive in terms of maintenance/repair, mostly because it was a restore or body, paint, interior, engine, tranny, rear diff, stereo. I remember what a pain in the ass it was re-wrapping those seats. Mid-America and Ecklers got some damn good money from me in that year.

    The C4 was very little trouble I did a tune-up and some go fast mods on my own. The C5 and C6 were bulletproof. No issues at all that I remember except maybe a recall. C7, thus far the same.

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    Good stuff ... enjoyed reading your memories & thoughts, along with seeing the visuals.


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    LovelyMoon?? Def his c7 pics. MiatsoCi, did you steal Moon's vette?
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    LovelyMoon?? Def his c7 pics. MiatsoCi, did you steal Moon's vette?
    I guess U didn't hear... My sentence was commuted and all my past crimes of loving GM too much were forgiven as long as I acted within the rules. It is me... Cmicasa the Great/PearlsRider/LovelyMoon/etc

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    I guess U didn't hear... My sentence was commuted and all my past crimes of loving GM too much were forgiven as long as I acted within the rules. It is me... Cmicasa the Great/PearlsRider/LovelyMoon/etc
    Thanks Moon, I didn't know why I wasn't seeing you post, or on the other hand that you were still here. Good you're here, you def have good taste in cars/mfgrs.
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