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    Re: Chevrolet Volt Smackdown

    thanks! That guy from fortunes a real weiner!

    78 percent of americans drive less than 40 miles a day...of which the volt does great..

    The lease deal is awesome...2500 down...350 down...and if you fit the mold of the volt and drive for the most part under 40 miles a day....you never have to buy gasoline....

    the average of 350 dollars a month in gasoline....pays for the lease payment...thus the volt is very affordable...

    I only wish they built the converj...which was a stunning cadillac coupe built off the volt chassis...(hopefully with a performance mode for the batteries to improve performance..)
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    Actually I thought they presented some decent information though they did get some facts wrong.

    The Volt is not simply a gas vehicle when the battery runs low. It functions as a series hybrid and under heavy load a parallel hybrid when the battery is low.

    The plug in prius is never really a pure electric vehicle. With a charged battery its a strong parallel hybrid. And when the battery is low its a standard parallel prius with a larger battery. You push a plug in prius hard with a fully charged battery the gas engine still comes on to assist.

    There are actually several other car companies looking to the Voltec model. Mitsubishi, VW, Mercedes have all expressed interest in similar designs.

    The one guy comments that GM will never get its development money back. I disagree, one of the reasons the Volt is so expensive is to recover those development costs. One of the many reasons the second generation Volt will be less expensive is because much of the development costs will be absorbed by the first generation.

    Think about it GM spent about 2 billion to develop Voltec. Over about 200K cars over 4 years production thats 10K per car. Gen 2 will likely cost about 1 billion to develop. Will likely have about 750K cars over 6 year product life that amounts to about 1400 per car. That right there is 8600 in savings per car. This does not even take into consideration the fact that GM will spread this technology to a family of vehicles.
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    Re: Chevrolet Volt Smackdown

    Everyone has opinions, and this gentleman is a shill for Toyota. Much of his argument was based on inaccurate information which the CNN reporter gently tried to work into the conversation. So - it wasn't exactly a balanced discussion. CNN was moderating one side of the discussion.

    A few points...

    - The VOLT (and VOLTEC) is not the best solution for all situations. The majority, yes - but not all. The primary hit to the VOLT's MPG in CS mode is due to the weight of 40 miles of gas range. It's a huge factor. The rest is some energy efficiency issues. The Prius PHEV will drop slightly compared to the base model due to extra weight. But they may mitigate that at extra cost. That said, Toyota is not above charging less than cost to make a point. The initial Prius was launched at a huge loss. The VOLT was not.

    - Even at current gas prices, the VOLT can make back its tax credit assisted purchase price over a Prius for many drivers. For some drivers, in some situations, it could pay back the full purchase price given enough time.

    - This is Gen I, future generations will be less costly. GM is openly overcharging for this vehicle by taking advantage of the tax credit, short supply, and early adopter syndrome. The other option would be to price it less and run a lottery, or give the money to the dealers in the form of markups - which is not in GM's interest.

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    ...for me, it was 26.2 miles "to" work and a huge open-ground parking lot with NO electricity for possible "recharging", and then 26.2 miles "back" from work...that's more than the Volt's vaunted 40 mile range..

    ...and, there were something like 8,000 other people parking there each day too, although, some may have had shorter (or longer!) commutes.

    ...the VOLT™ is an impractical "engineering" marvel!
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    Re: Chevrolet Volt Smackdown

    For some people the volt does NOT work...for 78 percent of americans it does...

    It would work for me and it would work for my wife.

    I still wouldn't give up my vette yet it would be a cool vehicle to own in addition to...

    I've heard the residual on a three year old volt is 17,500...

    who knows...maybe I'll buy one at that...

    Really a silent vehicle to use and that impressed the hell out of me as well as the 40 miles per daily charge..

    An impressive GM engineering marvel that does work for 78 percent of americans..
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    What "Smackdown"? He simply likes the Prius and thinks it's a better idea. He didn't trash the fool car from GM, even said he would buy one!
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    I really hope that GM can get more Volt's in the market for the 2012 model year. The fact that the Leaf is outselling it almost 2 to 1 hurts it. They need to advertise the lease rate and fast! The Volt is truely an engineering marvel, but they need to get more butts in the seats soon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 70AARCUDA View Post
    ...for me, it was 26.2 miles "to" work and a huge open-ground parking lot with NO electricity for possible "recharging", and then 26.2 miles "back" from work...that's more than the Volt's vaunted 40 mile range..

    ...and, there were something like 8,000 other people parking there each day too, although, some may have had shorter (or longer!) commutes.

    ...the VOLT™ is an impractical "engineering" marvel!
    The Volt is not for everybody. No car is. That being said most people do have a commute less than 40 miles a day.

    In your case in Arizona you could easily average 40 miles a day all electric. And 40 MPG gas real world.

    So you would be using gas for 12.4 miles per trip to work. Thats 0.3 gallons of gas per trip. At 3.5 dollars per gallon thats 1.05 for gas and about 1.50 for electricity. A Cruze averages about 30 MPG in the real world. At 3.5 per gallon thats over 6 dollars per trip.

    That means the Volt would cost you about 3.50 per trip less to operate than a Cruze. At 5 days per week thats 17.5 per week or 910 per year. And this does not include savings from other driving. And the Volt is a very nice car with a ton of features.

    So I think it will appeal to a fairly large market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambalanche View Post
    I really hope that GM can get more Volt's in the market for the 2012 model year. The fact that the Leaf is outselling it almost 2 to 1 hurts it. They need to advertise the lease rate and fast! The Volt is truely an engineering marvel, but they need to get more butts in the seats soon!
    What is it about production limited that people do not understand.

    GM can not sell what they can not build. They could only build about 500 cars per month of the 2011 model year. GM will be ramping up the 2012 model year to 5000 per month. And they will likely still not be able to meet demand. Hopefully they can increase capacity more. But that will depend on supply chain capacity. The Volt has a lot of components not typically produced in automotive industry volumes.
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    Re: Chevrolet Volt Smackdown

    I saw my first Volt in the wild today in Midtown Atlanta. It was silver and had a temporary tag from NY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBsZ06 View Post
    I've heard the residual on a three year old volt is 17,500...

    who knows...maybe I'll buy one at that...
    That's kinda what I'm thinking. I really like the idea of the Volt, and with a 26 mile round trip commute, it'd work well for me. Plus, I love hatchbacks, so that's anither plus. But I can't get past the price. Too much, IMO. But a 3 year old Volt for 17-18K? yeah, I'd be really interested in that.

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    Re: Chevrolet Volt Smackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by OLDSCHOOLGMFAN View Post
    What "Smackdown"? He simply likes the Prius and thinks it's a better idea. He didn't trash the fool car from GM, even said he would buy one!
    Well put, OLDSCHOOLGMFAN! Acknowledging the current limitations of GM's "fool car" (love that moniker, btw!) doesn't constitute a smackdown.
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