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    Article reveals aspects of Chevy Volt

    Here is an article that is not too flattering to the Chevy Volt:

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10319/1103346-109.stm

    The "limited production" aspect really surprised me!

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    Re: Article reveals aspects of Chevy Volt

    George Will is very critical of the government funding, and would have rather put us in a Depression and destroyed Michigan than give a dime to GM.

    So, who here is surprised he has spun the VOLT right off a cliff?

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    Reality is that Volt wasn't designed for mainstream buyers, like those who purchase Malibu. They're the ones which original goal of "nicely under $30,000" was targeted at. Since that's where the business-sustaining profit comes from, it makes sense about some feeling let down.

    It's the classic want vs. need conflict.
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    Re: Article reveals aspects of Chevy Volt

    Quote Originally Posted by john1701a View Post
    Reality is that Volt wasn't designed for mainstream buyers, like those who purchase Malibu. They're the ones which original goal of "nicely under $30,000" was targeted at. Since that's where the business-sustaining profit comes from, it makes sense about some feeling let down.

    It's the classic want vs. need conflict.
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    You've got it backwards John.

    HSD was not designed for mainstream drivers. It's been out for a decade and its market penetration is abysmal - even though its affordable.

    The Camry in many years has been the best selling car. Why is the HSD version one of the worst selling cars?

    Focusing on the price of the first generation of any product is simplistic, juvenile, and terribly naive.

    It's yet to be determined if VOLTEC can succeed where HSD failed.

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    Re: Article reveals aspects of Chevy Volt

    Quote Originally Posted by goblue View Post
    You've got it backwards John.

    HSD was not designed for mainstream drivers. It's been out for a decade and its market penetration is abysmal - even though its affordable.

    The Camry in many years has been the best selling car. Why is the HSD version one of the worst selling cars?

    Focusing on the price of the first generation of any product is simplistic, juvenile, and terribly naive.

    It's yet to be determined if VOLTEC can succeed where HSD failed.
    They're giving Prius' away these days. I just this evening saw an advertisement for a $210.00 lease. I know some that paid $5K over sticker two years ago to get one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goblue View Post
    HSD was not designed for mainstream drivers. It's been out for a decade and its market penetration is abysmal - even though its affordable.
    2,000,000 Prius sold, despite the misconceptions and all the resistance to change. No other model from any automaker comes even close to that. Squeezing the hybrid system into an existing traditional vehicle has not proven successful in volume for anyone. Stop avoiding acknowledgement of that already, it's getting tiresome.

    Remember how Volt was first tested, prior to the body being available? It's not like GM couldn't have continued to follow that opportunity. They didn't though. Toyota won't be either. Haven't you noticed the bigger "Prius" on the way?

    Twist reasons all you want. Sales are the goal. The point is to replace traditional production.

    Seeing Volt produced & sold at minimum mainstream volume (60,000 annually in this market) is the measure of success. That milestone was set for the second year, then abruptly backed away from in July. When do you see it happening now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by john1701a View Post
    2,000,000 Prius sold, despite the misconceptions and all the resistance to change. No other model from any automaker comes even close to that. Squeezing the hybrid system into an existing traditional vehicle has not proven successful in volume for anyone. Stop avoiding acknowledgement of that already, it's getting tiresome.

    Remember how Volt was first tested, prior to the body being available? It's not like GM couldn't have continued to follow that opportunity. They didn't though. Toyota won't be either. Haven't you noticed the bigger "Prius" on the way?

    Twist reasons all you want. Sales are the goal. The point is to replace traditional production.

    Seeing Volt produced & sold at minimum mainstream volume (60,000 annually in this market) is the measure of success. That milestone was set for the second year, then abruptly backed away from in July. When do you see it happening now?
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    That's the point JOHN, stop looking at the VOLT as a car and rather as Gen I VOLTEC and you'll get the idea.

    HSD has failed at replacing traditional production - along with all parallel hybrids. It's a mature technology that didn't get embraced. Too little gain to bother with for most. Too many compromises.

    The Prius as a car works because its a rolling billboard that you care about the environment or get to use the fast lane in CA. HSD as a technology is not a short term or long term solution to anything - we know this because anywhere else the tech goes - sales failure.

    So - this is the next step. Since parallels don't work, we're going to try electrics that can act as hybrids to extend range. Initial versions will be expensive and exclusive - just like any technology worth having.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goblue View Post
    HSD has failed at replacing traditional production - along with all parallel hybrids.
    Routinely showing up in the top-20 seller list here is a failure?

    What about being #1 in Japan for the past 18 consecutive months?

    I find it interesting how you continue to pretend there isn't a new "Prius" coming soon and ignore the PHV model entirely. Whatever. The measure of progess is same for all, sales.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john1701a View Post
    Routinely showing up in the top-20 seller list here is a failure?

    What about being #1 in Japan for the past 18 consecutive months?

    I find it interesting how you continue to pretend there isn't a new "Prius" coming soon and ignore the PHV model entirely. Whatever. The measure of progess is same for all, sales.
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    Again, the Prius is a success - HSD has been a failure at your stated goal of replacing traditional powertrains. All depends on perspective.

    The PHEV Prius is outclassed by the VOLT in virtually every way and will most likely have a similar lease rate. The larger Prius will appeal to current Prius buyers who want more room. Yes - it will cannibalize the current model, as will the PHEV.

    When HSD is applied to a vehicle other than a Prius or Prius derivative and is successful, then that will mean something significant for the future of automotive powertrains. Until that time, its a mature technology that basically failed to do anything meaningful in the grand scheme.

    GM is now attempting to see if VOLTEC is significant enough to make a real impact and replace traditional powertrains. Are the gains significant enough? What are the compromises? We'll see. One thing I don't worry about is initial price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goblue View Post
    Again, the Prius is a success - HSD has been a failure at your stated goal of replacing traditional powertrains. All depends on perspective...
    No, I'm not the one moving goal posts.

    They clearly stated an overall production goal of 1M per year for 2012 and appear on track to achieving that.

    Notice how there are no quantity goals stated for Volt tech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goblue View Post
    The PHEV Prius is outclassed by the VOLT in virtually every way
    Know your consumers. Clearly, someone needs to study middle-market closer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goblue View Post
    The larger Prius will appeal to current Prius buyers who want more room. Yes - it will cannibalize the current model...
    How can an expanding market do that? Those who have expressed the need for something bigger than Prius just ended up buying a minivan or SUV in the meantime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john1701a View Post
    Notice how there are no quantity goals stated for Volt tech.
    Nissan Will Sell 500,000 Electric Cars a Year by 2013, Says Chief

    How come no statement like that from GM?
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    Re: Article reveals aspects of Chevy Volt

    Negative aspect of the chevy volt...

    its not a sports car. Its not a sports coupe..its not a sports sedan...but after driving the volt.....

    For those among us who drive less than 40 miles a day back and forth to work...like 78 percent of americans....this new revolutionary vehicle allows them to use no gasoline and if they still want to drive from washington to NY...the owner just needs to fill up at any gas station..

    Its really an amazing drive. Very very quiet and I really believe the cadillac version will be even more impressive in the LUXURY SEGMENT!
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