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    Opel will keep developing for GM until 2020

    An update on the Opel sale.

    According to Automobilwoche, there are slight delays in the sale process for Opel to PSA. Employer information sessions that were expected for today and yesterday were postponed. The reason is that an agreement to the work volume of the development center in Russelsheim is still lacking. There is some overlap with the development center of PSA, so the unions are trying to make sure there is work for as many people as possible. Another point that's still being worked on is a service level agreement between GM and PSA.

    There is no talk of the deal not going through, relations are said to be good, but the matter at hand is complex. The judicial change that was planned for this week (the assets that are to be sold will become part of the new Opel Automobile GmbH) has been postponed. No new date has been set yet.
    Everyone still expects the deal to close in the second half of 2017.

    To me, the newsworthy part is that the Opel development center will keep doing work for GM, at least until 2020. It is said to be around 30% of the total volume of the work at Russelsheim. Which kind of makes sense, since you can't really drop work like that. It does give an idea of how much work Opel did for the rest of GM.

    (to me, this seems to be the essence of the article. But my German isn't perfect)

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    Thanks, the same site has more detail here: http://www.automobilwoche.de/article...-festschreiben
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    That means Opel will have an impact on cars likely into the 2030's

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    Quote Originally Posted by jzchev28 View Post
    That means Opel will have an impact on cars likely into the 2030's
    Another $15 billion in losses generated by Opel FWD garbage by then? 2030 will be a great year for GM.



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    I'm sure those cars are on fire because they are FWD.....

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    Another $15 billion in losses generated by Opel FWD garbage by then? 2030 will be a great year for GM.



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    Can't GM get back to designing its own cars, then we might gets something a lot lot better.
    They are all built to burn

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    This deal could go up in smoke

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    Considering the development time it takes with vehicles I can see this deal with GM panning out this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    Considering the development time it takes with vehicles I can see this deal with GM panning out this way.
    30% of development volume probably means updates to existing product, How will Germans feel working for the French?

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    Another $15 billion in losses generated by Opel FWD garbage by then? 2030 will be a great year for GM.



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    Can't GM get back to designing its own cars, then we might gets something a lot lot better.
    it is NOT only them PESKY FWDers combusting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldsmobile stopped View Post
    Another $15 billion in losses generated by Opel FWD garbage by then? 2030 will be a great year for GM.



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    Can't GM get back to designing its own cars, then we might gets something a lot lot better.
    it is NOT only them PESKY FWDers combusting
    Burn Bambino burn..

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    Vauxhall 'reckless' over Zafira fires, say MPs

    Business reporter, BBC News
    28 April 2017
    From the section Business


    One Zafira owner, a mother from Wiltshire, said smoke turned into flames within 30 seconds

    Vauxhall showed "a reckless disregard for safety" in allowing customers to keep driving Zafira cars after a fire risk was identified, MPs have said.
    It was "morally reprehensible" for the car maker not to warn customers sooner, MPs on the Transport Select Committee said.

    And Vauxhall was too slow in general to take action over the fires, which came to prominence in 2015, MPs said.
    Vauxhall said there were "lessons to be learned" from the Zafira fires.

    The fires started behind the glove box in the heating and ventilation system, and were a problem in Zafira B cars, which are still subject to a recall.


    'Tardy'

    Vauxhall was "too slow to acknowledge drivers' concerns, too slow to begin an investigation, too slow to address the causes and too slow to alert drivers of real safety concerns. Drivers and their families were needlessly put at risk," committee chair Louise Ellman said.

    The first report of a Zafira fire was noted by Vauxhall in 2009, and in 2014, internal concerns over a pattern in reports of fires were raised.
    However, Vauxhall did not launch an investigation into the fires until August 2015. At that time Vauxhall logged 161 fires.

    Analysis: Richard Westcott, BBC transport correspondent

    Even Vauxhall admits it was lucky that no-one was seriously hurt or worse in one of these car fires.

    The MPs suggest that the company put money and reputation ahead of safety when it came to fixing the problem. The report uses damning phrases like "morally reprehensible" and "reckless disregard for safety" when describing the company's sluggish response.

    It's especially scathing about the fact that Vauxhall let people drive around in cars that had been recalled and "fixed", even when engineers knew they could still catch fire.

    And there's a wider issue here. Right now, there's no system in place to help owners, insurance companies, garages and emergency services report common problems so they come to light more quickly.
    The full scale of the Vauxhall fires didn't emerge until a Facebook group, the London Fire Brigade and then the BBC's Watchdog programme started noticing and then highlighting a pattern.
    These MPs are also calling for new laws to prosecute car makers who fail to sort a safety issue. The current system just relies on the manufacturer doing everything voluntarily.

    In October 2015 a Facebook page was launched for Zafira owners that had been affected by the fires, and the BBC covered the issue in Watchdog on 22 October. A complaint was made to the DVSA about that time.

    Vauxhall launched the first recall in December 2015.

    In February 2016 it was told about the first fire in a vehicle that had been recalled, but it did not launch its second recall until 19 May 2016.

    The MPs were particularly scathing over Vauxhall's decision to let people continue to drive vehicles that had been recalled and returned to the owners when the manufacturer knew the Zafiras could still catch fire.

    "Vauxhall's decision to continue to let people drive affected cars amounts to a reckless disregard for safety. This is particularly damning given its admission that it should have notified customers earlier," the MPs said in their report.

    "In the absence of any explanation for its tardy response from the witnesses that appeared before us we can only conclude that commercial considerations and the need to avoid reputational damage were put ahead of safety; this is unacceptable and morally reprehensible," they added.

    The committee said that it wasn't aware of any fatalities or serious injuries caused by the fires, but they were "serious enough to destroy an entire vehicle and cause damage to other property and buildings in the vicinity".

    The MPs added that the regulator, the Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency (DVSA) should be given powers to prosecute car companies that don't comply with instructions.

    'Safety letters'
    Vauxhall said that "there are lessons to be learned from the cases of fire in Zafira B models" as to how it investigates fires.
    It said it had altered its recall process "to ensure we complete recalls swiftly and minimise customer inconvenience".

    However, it said that it had "made it clear to customers" during the first recall letters "how they should operate the heating and ventilation system to keep them safe".
    It added that it had made "very good progress" with the second recall.

    "As of today 183,172 vehicles have had the second recall carried out and we have been working closely with DVSA as we complete the process," the car maker said.
    That figure represents 79.1% of the affected cars. Vauxhall said it was aiming for a rate of 85% given that a certain number of vehicles have been stolen, seriously damaged, scrapped, exported or "sold to trade".

    Industry body the SMMT said that the vehicle recall process in the UK "is one of the most comprehensive and successful in the world".

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    It's not hard to see why Vauxhalls sales are in a huge nosedive at the moment in the UK. Great to see PSA have bought pig-in-the-poke Opel Group the best news in ages.
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    DAILY MAIL...

    Now Vauxhall Corsa, Astra and Antara owners claim their cars have exploded - just a day after carmaker finally said it would recall 220,000 Zafiras over fault that makes them burst into flames


    Owners of Corsa, Astra and Antara cars are claiming their cars exploded
    Vauxhall announced it would recall 220,000 Zafiras in a statement last night
    A number of reported Zafiras had burst into flames over the past weeks
    The car company insist they've no records of issues with other models

    Owners of Corsa, Astra and Antara cars are claiming their cars have exploded after Vauxhall announced it would recall 220,000 Zafiras over a fault that makes them burst into flames.
    The company insists that the issue only relates to vehicles with manual or no air-conditioning built between 2005 and 2014, which includes the Mk2 Zafira, also known as Zafira B.
    But owners of other Vauxhall models believe they may have a similar problem.



    Katie Harris, from Reading, Berkshire, saw her car catch fire as it sat in the driveway while she slept at her home

    Katie Harris, from Reading, Berkshire, saw her car catch fire as it sat in the driveway while she slept at her home.
    She thought a firework had gone off close to their home but then realised it was something more serious at around 11pm last night.

    The engine compartment and front seats of the 55 reg Vauxhall Corsa were completely destroyed by the blaze that was so intense a neighbour's guttering melted.
    The 36-year-old had to dial 999 after the flames from the family car grew so ferocious that they caused her neighbour's guttering to melt.

    The car was also used by her 17-year-old daughter to learn to drive and the family said they were just thankful it didn't happen when they were actually in the car.

    Mrs Harris said: 'We were all in bed when it happened and as it was bonfire night there had been fireworks going off everywhere all around us but there was nothing unusual about that.

    'Then we heard this big bang which made both me and my husband jump. I thought what the hell was that, maybe it was kids setting off fireworks but my husband looked out of the window at a street to the side of our house and couldn't seeing anything.

    'He went to close the window and as he walked into the bathroom and looked out of the window in that room he shouted 'Oh my god the cars on fire' and ran back into the room in horror.'


    Vauxhall are set to recall 220,000 Zafiras in the UK after a number of customers reported fires breaking out from the dashboard


    Karen Locke contributed this image of the burning family car. Vauxhall has said they do not believe the fault is a 'general safety concern'
    Mrs Harris's traumatic experience happened on the same night that Vauxhall formally recalled 220,000 Zafira B cars, following a series of fires that saw 120 cars similarly go up in flames.


    In 2007 Vauxhall issued a recall nearly a quarter of a million Corsas because of a fault that can cause them to spontaneously combust.
    And she believes the announcement made her worry more.

    She said: 'Because of the recalled Zafiras we were very worried and have contacted Vauxhall but so far had no reply.
    'I don't want to scare monger people but if they have a car like ours go get it checked out.

    'It could be one of those things but no one knows who it might happen to next.
    'It essentially self combusted which is a very scary thought because my daughter is learning to drive at the moment and to thin that this could have happened while we were out with her is terrifying.

    'We are going to be worried enough when she passes and goes out on her own let alone the fear of this happening again.

    'I don't even like fireworks, so we hadn't gone out to celebrate that night. We just wanted a night in, close the curtains, turn up the TV and relax, obviously that was not what was in store for us that night.



    Rebecca Moore, 30, had just dropped her daughter off when she opened the car door and discovered smoke billowing from the vents under the windscreen, before her car burst into flames
    'We got the children up and out of the house and called 999 and they told us to get as far away form the house as possible.

    'My son, he is 12, was quite tearful about it all but myself and my husband were more in shock.

    'The bizarre thing was that nobody had driven the car all day, it had just sat there on the driveway untouched until 11pm when it suddenly caught fire.

    'Luckily on that evening we parked it on the driveway because the fireman said if we had put it in our garage then it would have been quite serious.
    'It completely engulfed the car and the smell was horrendous. That stink came all into our house as well.

    'It lasted about one hour in total, the flames got so high at one point that it melted the guttering on our neighbours house.

    'People from all around came out of their house and we all just stood there watching it in amazement and shock.

    'And now the car is just sat there on our driveway, it doesn't do long trips, just the school run and for shopping it is so worrying that it had been parked up and just set on fire.
    'The fire brigade's report said that it started in the engine. They told us to keep an eye on it but told us it shouldn't catch on fire again.'


    Nurse Louise MacWilliam, from Aberdeen, also saw her 2013 £15,000 Corsa blow up in the middle of the night

    Nurse Louise MacWilliam, from Aberdeen, also saw her 2013 £15,000 Corsa blow up in the middle of the night.

    She had initially thought someone had set her car alight in the October 17 incident, but firefighters told her it was an electrical fault.
    She told Spokesman Said: 'The whole bonnet was up in flames. I was heartbroken. Crushed. Speechless.

    'This car was my graduation present to myself after graduating from university.
    'The car was brand new (2013) not one modification or repair ever done. It was serviced three months beforehand.

    'I worked hard for four years in higher education to get him. People who have never lost a car or at least something they are close to will never understand.'


    Andrea Donnan's brand new Antara also went up in flames spontaneously. On October 23


    Andrea Donnan's brand new Antara also went up in flames spontaneously. On October 23, she told told her story to the website, saying: 'They (Vauxhall) said they would inspect car but never did and blamed my insurance for taking it away after weeks.

    'Their insurance company would only offer me market value for car which would have left me out of pocket as was a financed car.
    'Eventually I had to go through my own insurance to get a new car.

    'I was off work with stress due to all of this and the fact my children could have been harm or worse.'


    Horrifying images posted by drivers to the Facebook group show a range of family cars burning in the streets


    LOADS More photos and harrowing stories in this news item...
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    Yea Opel's designs are hot stuff $25 billions in huge losses have gone up in smoke in the last 2 decades, 2020 can't come quick enough when GM get rid of this FWD garbage, no more "crappy cars" from Opel Yesssss.
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    DAILY MAIL...

    Now Vauxhall Corsa, Astra and Antara owners claim their cars have exploded - just a day after carmaker finally said it would recall 220,000 Zafiras over fault that makes them burst into flames


    LOADS More photos and harrowing stories in this news item...
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    Yea Opel's designs are hot stuff $25 billions in huge losses have gone up in smoke in the last 2 decades, 2020 can't come quick enough when GM get rid of this FWD garbage, no more "crappy cars" from Opel Yesssss.

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    All l read into this is $25 billion losers Opel's strong German Trade Unions are bullying and threatening to scupper the GM/PSA sale, if you don't give the bullies 2.5 years work before PSA get rid of them as they won't require duplicated design teams this will be one of big cost saving that PSA want, can only see fireworks and trouble ahead in 2.5 years time for PSA and Opel's very strong German trade unions that run the show..

    Opel delays start of takeover due to worker demands
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    Frankfurt — German car maker Opel on Tuesday pushed back the first step in its takeover by France’s Peugeot, after workers raised hurdles over the future of a prized research centre.

    Workers had blocked the firm’s legal reorganisation, a vital first step in the merger process, local newspaper the Allgemeine Zeitung reported citing sources inside the firm.

    A source close to the employee representatives said there were still questions to be negotiated between workers and managers at Opel and US parent company General Motors (GM), while adding that the talks were not confrontational.

    GM agreed in March to sell Opel to Peugeot and Citroen maker PSA, after suffering years of losses at the European venture.

    But workers at the firm, a historic local champion at its main factory in Ruesselsheim, near Frankfurt in western Germany, insisted the new owners honour GM’s wage and jobs guarantees covering the coming years before giving their greenlight.

    PSA chief Carlos Tavares said on a visit to Germany in early April that all existing job and wage deals would be maintained.

    To reach that goal, all collective bargaining agreements dealing with German Opel employees are to be transferred to a new legal entity, Opel Automobile GmbH.

    Even once the transfer is made, PSA will still not have taken control of the firm.

    This week’s sticking point was the future of about 7,700 workers at Opel’s prized Ruesselsheim research and development (R&D) centre, which designed motors and new car models, the Allgemeine Zeitung reported.

    The employee representatives will not move forward until PSA agrees to uphold a past guarantee from GM to keep commissioning projects from the research unit for the next three years.

    "We are on a good path regarding the transition, although there are still some open questions to be cleared up," Opel communications chief Michael Goentgens said, confirming only that "internal information events" planned for Monday and Tuesday had been delayed.

    "We expect the merger with PSA to be completed in the second half of 2017," he added.

    Opel and Vauxhall employ about 35,600 workers between them at 10 factories across Europe, about half of them at three plants in Germany.

    The deal has yet to receive the greenlight from competition authorities.

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    PSA will be stuck with $25 billion losers Opel huge losses, massive pension scheme deficit, their German workers that are the highest paid autoworkers in the world and are impossible to fire unlike their shoddy car designs that are easy to fire spontaneously combust, they have strong German TU law that protects auto workers they will find it $200,000 a time + retraining packages to fire an Opel worker.

    Highest paid workers in the world, that are impossible to get rid of, have a massive pension scheme deficit, assembling $25 billion losing FWD garbage small cars with no profits on the roof that are not all that catch fire and boring as hell, the vast majority get fleet/rental dumped in huge batches at Avis & Hertz in Europe at a huge losses because the private buyers are not interested in Opel's dull anodyne designs, strong German unions have managed to cadge a few more years of design or we will scupper the deal and you are still stuck with us. It all sounds like a total recipe for disaster.

    "German Union bullies win again, cadge another 2.5 years out of GM" should be the real headline.
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