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    Re: Is Lang Lang To Be The Engineering Center For GM Imports?

    If its for China its more than likely a sedan replacement for the Park Avenue.



    That could result in a new Caprice/Statesman for Holden, and maybe even a new police cruiser for the US.

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    Re: Is Lang Lang To Be The Engineering Center For GM Imports?

    Quote Originally Posted by BahamaTodd View Post
    Large long wheelbase cars are still very popular in China, so I could see them doing an Omega Buick.
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    If its for China its more than likely a sedan replacement for the Park Avenue.



    That could result in a new Caprice/Statesman for Holden, and maybe even a new police cruiser for the US.

    I suppose nothing is impossible, but that would be shocking.
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    Re: Is Lang Lang To Be The Engineering Center For GM Imports?

    Quote Originally Posted by BahamaTodd View Post
    Large long wheelbase cars are still very popular in China, so I could see them doing an Omega Buick.
    Exactly where my mind's heading.

    China already has Omega capability for CT6. Would it surprise anyone if a Buick for local consumption and Chevrolet/Holden for export were made on Omega, in China?

    The irony would be incredible: It's built in China, but it's a PROPER American sedan.
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    Re: Is Lang Lang To Be The Engineering Center For GM Imports?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Accardi View Post
    Exactly where my mind's heading.

    China already has Omega capability for CT6. Would it surprise anyone if a Buick for local consumption and Chevrolet/Holden for export were made on Omega, in China?

    The irony would be incredible: It's built in China, but it's a PROPER American sedan.
    Only problem there is if they wanted to sell a PPV, that's not going to happen with something made in China.

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    Re: Is Lang Lang To Be The Engineering Center For GM Imports?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Accardi View Post
    They also sell Buicks and Cadillacs in China.
    Then they should do the testing in China. Build up the expertise if it isn't there.
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    Re: Is Lang Lang To Be The Engineering Center For GM Imports?

    Let's see what good 'ole Sean actually said before we jump to conclusions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean
    “Our powertrain calibrators are obviously very expert at rear-wheel-drive applications, so they do a lot of that work for GM,”
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    “It’s why you’ll see a lot of Buicks and Cadillacs on our roads as our guys do lots of calibration work.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by emh View Post
    Then they should do the testing in China. Build up the expertise if it isn't there.
    AFAIK, SAIC does have a proving grounds. GM built it just before bankruptcy.
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    Re: Is Lang Lang To Be The Engineering Center For GM Imports?

    I think you guys are reading too much into a throw away comment

    Holden have worked on Buick and Cadillac vehicles at Lang Lang recently doing emissions work

    Thats it
    Who the hell approved this abomination? Hidden Content

    I bet it was some dumbarse in Detroit Hidden Content

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    Re: Is Lang Lang To Be The Engineering Center For GM Imports?

    I suspect if somebody came knocking on the GM property management group's door with a 1/2 way realistic offer, Lang Lang would be gone in a heartbeat.

    In the mean time it will be kept ticking over with minimal investment to keep it viable and adequately maintained as if it's left, nature will take it back within 5 years beyond economic repair.

    Sadly for GM, unlike Fishermans bend which is gold plated, Rolls Royce prime real estate, Lang Lang is rural land with virtually zero value and unlikely to be developed any time in the next 50 years or more.

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    Re: Is Lang Lang To Be The Engineering Center For GM Imports?

    Quote Originally Posted by Z284ever View Post
    I know, but that's going to be a distant memory by the time Lang Lang is restaffed. I think that's what Sean Poppitt is referring to, rather than any new Buick RWD programs.
    I'm an optimist. I say you're backwards. It's most likely his speaking in a present and future context about present and future vehicles implies present and future programs.

    “Our powertrain calibrators are obviously very expert at rear-wheel-drive applications, so they do a lot of that work for GM,” he said. “It’s why you’ll see a lot of Buicks and Cadillacs on our roads as our guys do lots of calibration work.”
    our calibrators ARE very expert

    you WILL see product

    as our guys DO work

    People can only lie so well. Referring to the past, he would have referenced it contextually.

    Quote Originally Posted by BahamaTodd View Post
    Large long wheelbase cars are still very popular in China, so I could see them doing an Omega Buick.
    Because the last was so successful, or because the CT6 is selling so well there that in-house competition wouldn't hurt?

    CT6 was selling, last I checked, about 3:2 US:China which I can almost guarantee was not the plan.

    My guess is there's a reason there's no CT8, and it starts and ends with limited Chinese preference for sedans.

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    Re: Is Lang Lang To Be The Engineering Center For GM Imports?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Accardi View Post
    Exactly where my mind's heading.

    China already has Omega capability for CT6. Would it surprise anyone if a Buick for local consumption and Chevrolet/Holden for export were made on Omega, in China?

    The irony would be incredible: It's built in China, but it's a PROPER American sedan.
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    Re: Is Lang Lang To Be The Engineering Center For GM Imports?

    Quote Originally Posted by sfbreh View Post
    I'm an optimist. I say you're backwards. It's most likely his speaking in a present and future context about present and future vehicles implies present and future programs.



    our calibrators ARE very expert

    you WILL see product

    as our guys DO work

    People can only lie so well. Referring to the past, he would have referenced it contextually.



    Because the last was so successful, or because the CT6 is selling so well there that in-house competition wouldn't hurt?

    CT6 was selling, last I checked, about 3:2 US:China which I can almost guarantee was not the plan.

    My guess is there's a reason there's no CT8, and it starts and ends with limited Chinese preference for sedans.
    That is my take as well, except I'm more of a pragmatist, than an optimist.


    Quote Originally Posted by sfbreh View Post
    Because the last was so successful, or because the CT6 is selling so well there that in-house competition wouldn't hurt?

    CT6 was selling, last I checked, about 3:2 US:China which I can almost guarantee was not the plan.

    My guess is there's a reason there's no CT8, and it starts and ends with limited Chinese preference for sedans.
    Yeah, it now seems that N.A. demand has a greatly reduced role in Product Design and Development, but I think that with Escala as a new Role Model, they are working on something with the New Design cues, and developed to suit both markets, where CT8 was conceived as a bigger CT6 N.A. model that could have been sold there.

    All of a sudden, it seems there are 2 major markets, and a balance in design for suiting both is de rigor now.



    Does the Escala schtick have it's own Mantra yet, as 'Arts and Science' was?

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    Re: Is Lang Lang To Be The Engineering Center For GM Imports?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carbide View Post
    That is my take as well, except I'm more of a pragmatist, than an optimist.




    Yeah, it now seems that N.A. demand has a greatly reduced role in Product Design and Development, but I think that with Escala as a new Role Model, they are working on something with the New Design cues, and developed to suit both markets, where CT8 was conceived as a bigger CT6 N.A. model that could have been sold there.

    All of a sudden, it seems there are 2 major markets, and a balance in design for suiting both is de rigor now.



    Does the Escala schtick have it's own Mantra yet, as 'Arts and Science' was?
    It's literally just an evolution of A&S, so that's probably its name, but I'm sure it won't be called anything.

    From what I hear, Escala will for the most part remain a concept besides the face. Future bodywork will be more linear, basically generically sculpted. Blah. It'll be different than what we have now, but it won't be straight off Escala.

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