GM accused of using VW-like emission devices on some diesel trucks

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    GM accused of using VW-like emission devices on some diesel trucks

    Not good news for GM today


    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/25/gm-fo...ons-tests.html

    General Motors is being sued for allegedly rigging diesel engine versions of its Silverado and Sierra HD vehicles to pass emissions tests.

    The suit, which was filed Thursday and seeks class-action status, alleged GM placed emissions test defeat devices in 705,000 Duramax diesel Sierra HD and Silverado models of heavy-duty trucks. The trucks emit two to five times the legal limit of dangerous NOx pollutants in real world driving, the suit said.
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    Re: GM accused of using VW-like emission devices on some diesel trucks

    That's a law firm making a claim, not the justice department like in the VW and FCA cases. I wonder how valid their claims are.
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    Re: GM accused of using VW-like emission devices on some diesel trucks

    Quote Originally Posted by kool1 View Post
    Money grab attempt

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    Re: GM accused of using VW-like emission devices on some diesel trucks

    "To appeal to environmentally conscious consumers, GM markets its Silverado and Sierra Duramax vehicles as having low emissions, high fuel economy, and powerful torque and towing capacity. GM charges a premium of approximately $5,000 for diesel-equipped vehicles over comparable gas vehicles," the suit said.
    I'm certain most people buying these are for the environmental impact.

    This does seem very odd to be coming from a private law firm and not the government. As said above, money grab? If legitimate, could the results of this kick off a government investigation?

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    Re: GM accused of using VW-like emission devices on some diesel trucks

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    I'm certain most people buying these are for the environmental impact.

    This does seem very odd to be coming from a private law firm and not the government. As said above, money grab? If legitimate, could the results of this kick off a government investigation?
    I think it's from the same dudes who filed the frivilous complaint regarding Cruze diesels last year...
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    Re: GM accused of using VW-like emission devices on some diesel trucks

    Quote Originally Posted by TruckMan View Post
    That's a law firm making a claim, not the justice department like in the VW and FCA cases. I wonder how valid their claims are.
    This is yet another suit by Hagens Berman, a super-aggressive class action law firm with dubious ethics. It's not unusual for this law firm to come up with a lawsuit and actively go looking for potential "plaintiffs" (instead of the actual buyers or a government agency initiating the suit). Hagens Berman, in the past, has also been found guilty of dropping paid clients when more lucrative opportunities come up. Money grab.
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    Re: GM accused of using VW-like emission devices on some diesel trucks

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    I'm certain most people buying these are for the environmental impact.

    This does seem very odd to be coming from a private law firm and not the government. As said above, money grab? If legitimate, could the results of this kick off a government investigation?
    I literally bust out laughing even considering Duramax buyers wanting to be "environmentally conscious."
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    Re: GM accused of using VW-like emission devices on some diesel trucks

    GM has issued the following statement:

    These claims are baseless and we will vigorously defend ourselves. The Duramax Diesel Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra comply with all U.S. EPA and CARB emissions regulations.”

    Sounds strangely like something Sergio would say.

    Here's more on the fine print of the lawsuit:

    http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...tors-Allegedly

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    Re: GM accused of using VW-like emission devices on some diesel trucks

    Quote Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65 View Post
    I literally bust out laughing even considering Duramax buyers wanting to be "environmentally conscious."
    The fuel economy advantages along with B20 biodiesel compatibility for GM's Duramax engine lineup are designed specifically to appeal to "environmentally conscious" customers - both individuals and companies who purchase these trucks for their fleets.
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    Re: GM accused of using VW-like emission devices on some diesel trucks

    Quote Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65 View Post
    I literally bust out laughing even considering Duramax buyers wanting to be "environmentally conscious."
    environmentally roll coal OR drag a 20k trailer around um ok

    sounds a lot like lets go after "dirty" diesels while judges are thinking "Dieselgate" for quick cash

    IMHO law firms like these should be PUT out of business!!!!!!

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    Re: GM accused of using VW-like emission devices on some diesel trucks

    Quote Originally Posted by gkr778 View Post
    The fuel economy advantages along with B20 biodiesel compatibility for GM's Duramax engine lineup are designed specifically to appeal to "environmentally conscious" customers - both individuals and companies who purchase these trucks for their fleets.
    Quote Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65 View Post
    I literally bust out laughing even considering Duramax buyers wanting to be "environmentally conscious."
    Toyota is shutting down the Prius line as we speak, the GM's diesel trucks have totally penetrated the environmentally friendly market and killed the Prius. There will be a new movie along the lines of "GM Killed the Electric Car", be called "GM killed the Prius".

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    Re: GM accused of using VW-like emission devices on some diesel trucks

    This is the court document: https://www.hbsslaw.com/uploads/case...ncomplaint.pdf

    I dunno it looks bad. They seem to have evidence of a defeat device, Bosch is named, AGAIN...
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    Re: GM accused of using VW-like emission devices on some diesel trucks

    AGAIN, I say this is more about over-regulation rather than "evil car makers!"

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    Re: GM accused of using VW-like emission devices on some diesel trucks

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Accardi View Post
    This is the court document: https://www.hbsslaw.com/uploads/case...ncomplaint.pdf

    I dunno it looks bad. They seem to have evidence of a defeat device, Bosch is named, AGAIN...
    I didn't read the whole doc, I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not an expert in the subject. But from my layman-skimming-the-doc-during-a-boring-meeting perspective, I don't see defeat devices here.

    I skimmed through parts of section D (salaciously titled "GM Profited from Using Multiple Defeat Devices in Its Duramax Diesel Powertrains"), and read paragraph 63 (starting on page 31) that claims to describe 3 defeat devices. None of the 3 read like "defeat devices" to me. They sound like GM took advantage of the format of the emissions test, which everyone does when they have to pass a test or ace a benchmark. There's nothing here (at least in what I read) like VW's defeat devices that apparently detect a test is in progress and behaves differently from what the system would normally do.
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    Re: GM accused of using VW-like emission devices on some diesel trucks

    Quote Originally Posted by TruckMan View Post
    That's a law firm making a claim, not the justice department like in the VW and FCA cases. I wonder how valid their claims are.
    The law firm that filed this suit, as emh mentioned, is infamous for cases that defy common sense. It's the same firm that sued Apple in 2006, representing a plaintiff who complained that "the iPod music player can cause hearing loss in people who use it". That class action was eventually dismissed.
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