What the FCA/PSA Merger Will Mean for U.S. Car Buyers

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    What the FCA/PSA Merger Will Mean for U.S. Car Buyers

    What Fiat Chrysler and PSA Peugeot Citroën Merger Will Mean for U.S. Car Buyers
    Now that FCA and PSA confirm they're doing a 50/50 merger, we're more likely to see technology being shared than cars being added to the U.S. market.
    By MIKE DUFF
    OCT 31, 2019
    Car & Driver

    • Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) and France's PSA Group agreed to a 50/50 merger this week.
    • FCA's portfolio includes Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram, Fiat, Alfa Romeo, and Maserati, and PSA Group is the parent company of French brands Peugeot, Citroën, and DS as well as former GM units Opel and Vauxhall.
    • This merger is not so much about finding new markets for products as letting FCA share in the more sophisticated technology PSA controls, including electrified drivetrains and advanced front-wheel-drive platforms.

    Mergers between large auto companies may excite analysts and business journalists, but our first reaction is more selfish: What's in it for us? Now that it's confirmed Fiat Chrysler and PSA are throwing in together to create what will likely be the world's fourth-biggest automaker—building 8.7 million vehicles a year—we're more interested in the specifics of future model plans. Instead, perhaps inevitably, the evaluation of a deal like this tends to be more about stockholder value, future earnings, and potential for cost-saving synergies than about the product.

    And that's a shame. Between them, the two groups control a huge number of brands, several of which we care deeply about. As well as Fiat and the little that remains of Chrysler, FCA has Dodge, Ram, Jeep, Alfa Romeo, and Maserati in its portfolio, plus Abarth and the (dead outside Italy) Lancia. PSA has Peugeot and Citroën plus the upmarket DS brand, as well as Opel and Vauxhall, which were acquired from GM in 2017. That's a huge portfolio with both significant overlap but also geographic anomalies—the most obvious being that apart from the Buick Regal, which is built in Germany, no PSA products are currently sold in the United States.

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    Re: What the FCA/PSA Merger Will Mean for U.S. Car Buyers

    I wasn't surprised to read the rumors a few days ago that this was brewing; and wasn't surprised that they made it official today.

    Sergio Marchionne's overture to merge with GM a few years back made things pretty plain. The recent attempt under Manley to pursue a deal with Renault earlier this year only demonstrated that he was as likely to pursue this route as his predecessor.

    In many respects, PSA is a better fit than either GM or Renault would have been -- but it still has me scratching my head in some ways.

    The new entity will have lots of scale and volume; but there's also a lot of overlap in Europe and select other markets. And while everyone is pursuing ventures that give them shared technologies, this one seems to be missing any kind of meaningful footprint in places like China and India.

    That being said, there honestly doesn't seem to be much that would be impacted in the US/NAFTA region. Ram and Jeep are on a tare, and they won't be slowing down anytime soon. Manley is a Jeep guy; and if he has a seat at the larger FCA/PSA table, then it's likely he'll continue to hawk for the brand's expansion. So I'm not really "worried" about how this will shake out in our side of the pond.

    Seems like Manley and Tavares have known each other for years. They may make great business partners as they steer the larger ship.

    But the real winner here are the Agnellis and Exor. If the initial reports are true, then the company that once held sway over the Fiat Empire may now become the largest single shareholder in the world's 4th largest car company. And if it ultimately happens, the Agnellis own quite a bit to Sergio and his legacy.
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    Re: What the FCA/PSA Merger Will Mean for U.S. Car Buyers

    I'm not sure what becomes of Chrysler/Dodge/Ram/Jeep here? Certainly Jeep survives.
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    Re: What the FCA/PSA Merger Will Mean for U.S. Car Buyers

    Fiat needs to close first and foremost.
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    Re: What the FCA/PSA Merger Will Mean for U.S. Car Buyers

    Quote Originally Posted by Z284ever View Post
    I'm not sure what becomes of Chrysler/Dodge/Ram/Jeep here? Certainly Jeep survives.
    Ram and Jeep are the two most valuable brands in the combined company's portfolio so they're not going anyplace. I think in the near term the Chrysler brand will join Plymouth while Dodge will keep on keeping on with ancient, yet profitable performance products. Outside of that, I doubt this will have any significant impact on the US market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SP1966 View Post
    Ram and Jeep are the two most valuable brands in the combined company's portfolio so they're not going anyplace. I think in the near term the Chrysler brand will join Plymouth while Dodge will keep on keeping on with ancient, yet profitable performance products. Outside of that, I doubt this will have any significant impact on the US market.
    Or some current Opels/Vauxhalls models might be sold here rechristened as Chryslers.

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    Re: What the FCA/PSA Merger Will Mean for U.S. Car Buyers

    Quote Originally Posted by Stéphane Dumas View Post
    Or some current Opels/Vauxhalls models might be sold here rechristened as Chryslers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stéphane Dumas View Post
    Or some current Opels/Vauxhalls models might be sold here rechristened as Chryslers.
    So the next Chrysler 300 might be the old Buick Regal? LOL

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    Re: What the FCA/PSA Merger Will Mean for U.S. Car Buyers

    Quote Originally Posted by SP1966 View Post
    So the next Chrysler 300 might be the old Buick Regal? LOL
    I thought more of dusting off the 200 or Sebring monickers for the old Buick Regal.

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    Re: What the FCA/PSA Merger Will Mean for U.S. Car Buyers

    They should bring Opel to the States. Now that Mary has gutted GM we could use another good Compact car in the U.S.

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    Re: What the FCA/PSA Merger Will Mean for U.S. Car Buyers

    my "concern" is NOT right now when things "look" good BUT in a FEW years and another recession / OR atleast global downturn and plants NEED to close will the FRENCH ALLOW any to close / WILL EXOR go for Italian plants OR will AMERICAN plants get the AX?

    the french government are INVOLVED in renaults business and I assume PSA's also so I assume PSA plants are "safe"

    I will also add we have PSA/FORD 2.0L trubodiesel engines at work and they are AWFUL POS engines NEED MAJOR work at 2000 hours where as the Yanmar OR Kubota engines go and go for around 25000 hours
    even the CHINESE made Perkens Phasers are good for 15000 hours with NO major maintenance

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    Re: What the FCA/PSA Merger Will Mean for U.S. Car Buyers

    Quote Originally Posted by steve333 View Post
    They should bring Opel to the States. Now that Mary has gutted GM we could use another good Compact car in the U.S.
    There is nothing "good" about Opel. Keep that trash over there where it belongs.

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    Re: What the FCA/PSA Merger Will Mean for U.S. Car Buyers

    Quote Originally Posted by richmond2000 View Post
    my "concern" is NOT right now when things "look" good BUT in a FEW years and another recession / OR atleast global downturn and plants NEED to close will the FRENCH ALLOW any to close / WILL EXOR go for Italian plants OR will AMERICAN plants get the AX?

    the french government are INVOLVED in renaults business and I assume PSA's also so I assume PSA plants are "safe"

    I will also add we have PSA/FORD 2.0L trubodiesel engines at work and they are AWFUL POS engines NEED MAJOR work at 2000 hours where as the Yanmar OR Kubota engines go and go for around 25000 hours
    even the CHINESE made Perkens Phasers are good for 15000 hours with NO major maintenance
    That was the problem with the Ford-PSA engine alliance - the previously bullet-proof PSA diesels were "evolved" by Ford to be cheaper to build and it shows - but no different is essence when the GM-Fiat engine alliance put Fiat's JTD in Opel/Vauxhalls.

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    The crippled carmakers find true love. Well, as long as the socialist French government is bankrolling them.
    Since when is France socialist? It looks like you are envious
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