VW unveils ID.3 electric hatchback starting at less than $33k

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    VW unveils ID.3 electric hatchback starting at less than $33k

    VW unveils production version of ID.3 electric car: starts under $33,000 with range up to 340 miles
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    VW has unveiled today the production version of one of the most anticipated electric car of the year, the ID.3, Volkswagen’s first car on its new MEB electric platform.

    The based version of the ID.3 electric car starts under $33,000 (€30,000) and the range of the higher-end version goes up to 340 miles (550 km).
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    Re: VW unveils ID.3 electric hatchback starting at less than $33k

    This is probably the most important EV launch from a mainstream automaker to date. No disrespect to the Bolt, but VW is serious and European mandates for EV adoption are forcing their hand anyway. That said, I'm pretty underwhelmed, especially by the interior (exterior is decent enough). Even the Bolt seems competitive with this despite being a few years old now.

    Caveat on the article: the $33k price and 340 miles range aren't on the same car. The $33k base version has ~200 miles range (WLTP rating, which is usually a bit more optimistic than the EPA). The price of the hign-end version that will have a 340 mile range (also WLTP) hasn't been announced yet.

    I believe this is currently not slated to arrive on the left side of the Atlantic but I presume that could change depending on how the market shapes up.
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    VW is building a second plant in Chattanooga and will begin production of MEBs in 2022

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    It's not bad looking but I'd like to see a mainstream EV that doesnt look like an EV.
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    Pretty stark interior. When's the first road test?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    It's not bad looking but I'd like to see a mainstream EV that doesnt look like an EV.
    IMHO, the Cadillac ELR is/was the most beautiful "mainstream" EV to date. Too bad they got the intro/pricing wrong!
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    Re: VW unveils ID.3 electric hatchback starting at less than $33k

    Quote Originally Posted by emh View Post
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    Caveat on the article: the $33k price and 340 miles range aren't on the same car. The $33k base version has ~200 miles range (WLTP rating, which is usually a bit more optimistic than the EPA). The price of the hign-end version that will have a 340 mile range (also WLTP) hasn't been announced yet................
    Details-Shemtails.............. couldn't be much more than $40,000



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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyspaw View Post
    IMHO, the Cadillac ELR is/was the most beautiful "mainstream" EV to date. Too bad the got the intro/pricing wrong!
    ELR looked great inside and out but got pretty much everything else wrong. Pricing, performance, form factor (not enough doors to be mainstream), packaging, electric range...
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    Quote Originally Posted by emh View Post
    ELR looked great inside and out but got pretty much everything else wrong. Pricing, performance, form factor (not enough doors to be mainstream), packaging, electric range...
    Why do you need electric range when you have a range extender?
    There is no need to charge outside the home or even fast charge with EREVs, so barely enough is the perfect amount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eaton53 View Post
    Why do you need electric range when you have a range extender?
    There is no need to charge outside the home or even fast charge with EREVs, so barely enough is the perfect amount.
    By that argument, why do you need any electric range at all?

    I used to think EREVs were the perfect solution until I looked into buying one. Once you pack battery+motor(s) AND engine+gas tank, there are just too many packaging compromises. And the small battery doesn't allow for the torque/performance benefits of a true EV which, IMO, is the best part of an EV. Basically, all the negatives of a gas car with none of the benefits of an EV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emh View Post
    ELR looked great inside and out but got pretty much everything else wrong. Pricing, performance, form factor (not enough doors to be mainstream), packaging, electric range...
    If the Volt wasn't available at lower cost at the same time then you wouldn't have heard any complaints about its price or range. ELR should've come out first at cost...then a lower priced Volt later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emh View Post
    By that argument, why do you need any electric range at all?
    You only need enough to be electric most of the time. If you're a purist, look elsewhere.
    The average American commute is 16 miles. The ELR has 35 miles, which is more than 16 X 2.

    I used to think EREVs were the perfect solution until I looked into buying one. Once you pack battery+motor(s) AND engine+gas tank, there are just too many packaging compromises. And the small battery doesn't allow for the torque/performance benefits of a true EV which, IMO, is the best part of an EV. Basically, all the negatives of a gas car with none of the benefits of an EV.
    The Volt has this issue, the ELR doesn't. It's a coupe, which means two people in the car.
    A 2016 ELR is a 6.4 second to 60 car, which isn't exactly slow. I like that it's quiet.

    The problems with the ELR were the absurd price of it and that people don't buy many coupes.
    #1 was solved by a market correction... now that they're under $30K, they about as nice as these things get.
    #2 depends on whether a coupe is for you.
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    Replace the front bucket seats with a bench seat. Remove the steering wheel and the screen in the middle. Yeah, now THAT's the future of the automobile industry.

    As for the ELR, it's one and only problem was that the Volt came out before it did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyspaw View Post
    IMHO, the Cadillac ELR is/was the most beautiful "mainstream" EV to date. Too bad they got the intro/pricing wrong!
    I saw an ELR on the freeway a couple months back. Its a beautiful car IMO.

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