Toyota's frame rusting problem more widespread than admitted?

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    Toyota's frame rusting problem more widespread than admitted?

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    In 2008, Toyota instituted a “consumer support program” to address frame rust on 1995-2000 Tacomas. The press release stresses that only a small number of the over 800,000 Tacomas were affected ; and that this program was neither a recall nor a special service program. They also, through a blog post, attempted to paint the issue lightly by saying that “rust… never sleeps” and that “rust is a fact of life.”

    To Toyota’s credit, they did extend the warranties on those vehicles to 15 years, and offered to repair or buy back the vehicles, no matter how many times removed it is from the original owner.

    Toyota was never forthright about the scope of the issue for the implicated model years. Further, despite claims of rust issues on later year Tacomas, has not officially recognized a problem.

    Frame rust has also been an issue with Tundras built earlier this decade. Toyota issued a quiet special service program to address those issues, too, on top of a recall.

    Why is this a topic of discussion here? Well, while having my wife’s Chrysler product serviced at a joint Toyota/Chrysler service center, I observed something I have never seen at any dealership. While I was leaving, I rounded a corner in the parking lot and right there in plain view was a pile of frames. Rusted, cut up frames. I immediately recalled [heh] Toyota’s rusting frame issue and parked the car for a closer look. It was very possible that these were frames from non-Toyota products. However, when I approached I saw stickers on the frames that read “NUMMI.” Other frames had VINs written on them. Toyota VINs. So, I took a set of photos and then went on my way.

    If the problem was so minimal, why is it that—two and a half years after the announcement—there are so many frames/frame segments in just this one location? Is this replicated at other Toyota dealers? Perhaps most interesting, if one decodes the VIN in the last photograph, the frame is from a 2002 Tacoma—which, of course, is two years newer than the newest Tacomas Toyota admitted had a problem.

    Finally, I didn’t note the VINs on all of the frames, so it’s possible that other Toyota models, such as the Tundra, are represented in this pile. Some of the frames seemed larger than the others. I’ll leave that up to the Toyota-aware to determine.






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    Re: Toyota's frame rusting problem more widespread than admitted?

    I love that the ad below this post was for the "Toyotathon" sale going on now!
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    Re: Toyota's frame rusting problem more widespread than admitted?

    Does that dealership have a body shop? If so, it is possible that these frames were removed as parts of accident repair. Just a thought (Not that I am defending Toyota).

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    Re: Toyota's frame rusting problem more widespread than admitted?

    I've recently seen a semi truck with 3 stacks of 10 frames (30) sitting outside a toyota dealer here in DE. And no this dealer is not known to have a great body shop that would warrant that amount of truck frames.

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    Re: Toyota's frame rusting problem more widespread than admitted?

    My neighbor has a new Black Tundra, in speaking to a other neighbor a few weeks back I mentioned that it looked like the other one bought a new truck, he said yes and that it was due to frame rust that was on his frame of his Tacoma, I guess he got some assistance with the new one,didnt know that he was having a problem, it looked clean and free of rust on the outside. Needless to say that no mater what we think of toyota, they appear to take care of thier customers for the most part. Something that GM needs to learn, not just during the warrenty but afterwords.
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    Re: Toyota's frame rusting problem more widespread than admitted?

    I think it needs more research. An in-depth investigation is needed. Toyota is already suffering from their dishonest handling of this kind of issue.

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    Re: Toyota's frame rusting problem more widespread than admitted?

    I have to say, those frames don't look any more rusty than your average gen I & II Explorer or Ranger...


    I love my '98 to death, even more so my dearly departed '91, but they sure rust...
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    Re: Toyota's frame rusting problem more widespread than admitted?

    Quote Originally Posted by drankin21 View Post
    I love that the ad below this post was for the "Toyotathon" sale going on now!
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    Re: Toyota's frame rusting problem more widespread than admitted?

    I have to say, those frames don't look any more rusty than your average gen I & II Explorer or Ranger...


    I love my '98 to death, even more so my dearly departed '91, but they sure rust...
    I was thinking the same thing. Unless the bad parts have already been cut out and either tossed or sent in for examination. We have 05 Silverado's at work with frames that look worse than those do. I've seen plenty of newer ones that look just as bad.

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    Re: Toyota's frame rusting problem more widespread than admitted?

    That VIN# won't pull on Carfax at all.
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    Re: Toyota's frame rusting problem more widespread than admitted?

    The 4Runner has been the bigger frame rust issue per my local dealer that has Toyota in their automall. The whole rear subassembly can rust out and fail in different ways than the Tacoma issue (driveshaft joint failure, rear tow assembly failure, suspension collapse, etc.).

    As someone noted above, even though Toyota has issues, no more than the Ford Explorers and Isuzu/Honda joint models of that timeframe of 1995 to 2002.
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    Re: Toyota's frame rusting problem more widespread than admitted?

    My next door neighbor had his Tundra in the shop for months this past summer. It seems that they had a hard time getting new frames for his truck "due to demand for replacement frames".

    The neighbors are from a family where Toyota is God, so I don't expect them to ever change, but I do get a kick out of reminding them about how long it took to fix their Tundra.

    The dealer gave them a Sienna to drive while the Tundra was being repaired and I know they enjoyed the Sienna more than the Tundra (They have 4 kids, 7, 6, 5 and 2 years old). But they just don't want another car payment right now.
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    Re: Toyota's frame rusting problem more widespread than admitted?

    Quote Originally Posted by 377Z View Post
    I have to say, those frames don't look any more rusty than your average gen I & II Explorer or Ranger...
    I was thinking the same thing ... that rust appeared to be mainly surface rust.

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    Re: Toyota's frame rusting problem more widespread than admitted?

    Didn't Toyota issue a statement saying it was because municipalities were using non-Toyota approved road salt and rain that was causing the problem.

    Or was it a problem due to defect from a paint supplier.....steel maker....defective asphalt? Surely it can't be Toyota's problem.

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    Re: Toyota's frame rusting problem more widespread than admitted?

    This makes no sense to me.

    Why would any Toyota dealer be removing entire frames off their vehicles at the dealer?? Frame damage on a vehicle is considered "totaled" I would imagine the dealer would remove serviceable parts and scrap the rest. Maybe the frame was "the rest"? But I doubt it....
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