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    Toyota, Subaru, Suzuki, and Mazda Combine on BEVs




    A common public refrain among Tesla fans and shareholders is that “dinosaur legacy automakers’ are intentionally slowing down the development of electric vehicles, most likely because they are in cahoots with “big oil.” In the privacy of their detached 2-garage homes, the song turns into an evening prayer for that the OEMs will keep on sleeping, such as not to trample on the nascent demand for electric cars. The prayers have not been heard. Today, Toyota, the world’s (currently) largest automaker, declared its full support for battery-electric vehicles, and this after the other two of the top three automakers, Volkswagen and the Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance, have long thrown their considerable industrial might behind electric cars.

    The big story of today is not just that Toyota, a company widely suspected of harboring anti-battery tendencies, is going full-bore BEV. The much bigger story is that Toyota is bringing three additional automakers to the electric party: Subaru, Suzuki, and Mazda (the latter not yet officially, but I have it on – see below – excellent authority that Mazda will be next on board.) Convinced by Toyota to join a coalition that shares common platforms, technologies, batteries and not to forget goals, Subaru, Suzuki, and Mazda add the production and sales power of roundabout six million vehicles produced and sold annually and globally to Toyota’s ten million, making it by far the largest block of companies to join the electric fray.

    Before we go into details, here are the bullets I took for you during (and after) a press conference today in Toyota’s Megaweb in Tokyo:

    In addition to a BEV-cooperation with Subaru announced yesterday, Toyota did let slip today that its minivehicle-car arm Daihatsu will develop compact EVs together with kei-car giant Suzuki.
    After the meeting, I asked Toyota’s President of Advanced Technologies Development, the affable Shigeki Terashi, what happened to Mazda after a technology-partnership with Toyota was announced in 2015, and doesn’t a company deeply committed to extending the life of the ICE need electric assistance the most? A grinning Terashi replied: “Along with other topics, we have discussed EVs with Mazda for a few years already. Today, I did not reveal all the projects we are working on right now, and Mazda is one of them.”
    Toyota and its partners will make and sell the whole battery-powered spectrum, from electric scooters to full-sized BEV SUVs. Some of them will be available as early as next year.
    Most EVs will be based on a newly developed BEV-platform, called “e-TNGA,” an electric cousin of the modular “Toyota New Generation Architecture” underpinning Toyota’s latest and future models.
    First BEVs will be launched onto the Chinese market in 2020, and then onto the world.
    The U.S. market will likely get an electric Lexus, and/or a Toyota-branded electric sports car.


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    https://www.thedrive.com/tech/28424/...ht-behind-bevs
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    Somehow this story makes Toyota seem like the hero again.. Yet when GM said pretty much the same thing, but in its own... The world, well at least auto forums, cried death
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    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    Somehow this story makes Toyota seem like the hero again.. Yet when GM said pretty much the same thing, but in its own... The world, well at least auto forums, cried death
    But wasn't GM talking 'lektrik, while these guys are talking mostly BEV?
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    Mazda and Subaru are a half step away from being full on Toyota subsidiaries at this point anyway. So, it may not be the conglomeration the title suggests. If this said Toyota, Honda, and Nissan things would be completely different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    Somehow this story makes Toyota seem like the hero again.. Yet when GM said pretty much the same thing, but in its own... The world, well at least auto forums, cried death
    But wasn't GM talking 'lektrik, while these guys are talking mostly BEV?
    I thought GM was talking both
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    Re: Toyota, Subaru, Suzuki, and Mazda Combine on BEVs

    The warlord community is alive and well. Americans think journalism is trashing your country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    Somehow this story makes Toyota seem like the hero again.. Yet when GM said pretty much the same thing, but in its own... The world, well at least auto forums, cried death
    Indeed. Toyota is dead last among major automakers to get on the electric bandwagon (FCA doesn't count). And they are being praised for finally giving in and grudgingly announcing a few EVs. Even then, most of what they plan to sell are just plug-in hybrids and still are dragging along a few others to spread the risk, just in case...

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    But wasn't GM talking 'lektrik, while these guys are talking mostly BEV?
    Same difference. "Electric" and "BEV" both usually refer to a car with no gas tank or engine. That said, most of what Toyota is talking about here are PHEVs, or plug-in hybrids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emh View Post
    Indeed. Toyota is dead last among major automakers to get on the electric bandwagon (FCA doesn't count). And they are being praised for finally giving in and grudgingly announcing a few EVs. Even then, most of what they plan to sell are just plug-in hybrids and still are dragging along a few others to spread the risk, just in case...



    Same difference. "Electric" and "BEV" both usually refer to a car with no gas tank or engine. That said, most of what Toyota is talking about here are PHEVs, or plug-in hybrids.
    Sorry, my error. I mixed up BEV with PHEV or gas-electric. The devil made me do it!
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    Re: Toyota, Subaru, Suzuki, and Mazda Combine on BEVs

    Quote Originally Posted by SVT74 View Post
    Mazda and Subaru are a half step away from being full on Toyota subsidiaries at this point anyway. So, it may not be the conglomeration the title suggests. If this said Toyota, Honda, and Nissan things would be completely different.
    Huh??? Correct me if I'm wrong but prior to this, I dont think any Mazda shared anything with a Toyota and for Subaru, outside the BRZ there isnt anything that shares anything with Toyota. So how are they a step away from being subsidiaries?
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    Huh??? Correct me if I'm wrong but prior to this, I dont think any Mazda shared anything with a Toyota and for Subaru, outside the BRZ there isnt anything that shares anything with Toyota. So how are they a step away from being subsidiaries?
    Toyota owns 16.7% of Subaru parent Fuji Heavy and I believe Toyota was planning to take a 5% stake in Mazda a couple of years ago (along with building a jointly-owned manufacturing plant in the US). I don't know if they went through on the latter or not.
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    Re: Toyota, Subaru, Suzuki, and Mazda Combine on BEVs

    Quote Originally Posted by emh View Post
    Same difference. "Electric" and "BEV" both usually refer to a car with no gas tank or engine. That said, most of what Toyota is talking about here are PHEVs, or plug-in hybrids.


    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    Sorry, my error. I mixed up BEV with PHEV or gas-electric. The devil made me do it!
    It is somewhat confusing... I got the impression at one point that BEV was more associated to having an Electric engine like GM introduced in the Camaro last year.. while the Skateboard chassis under the Tesla or Bolt was designated as EV. Just to categorization. Come to find out.. they are all inclusive
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    Huh??? Correct me if I'm wrong but prior to this, I dont think any Mazda shared anything with a Toyota and for Subaru, outside the BRZ there isnt anything that shares anything with Toyota. So how are they a step away from being subsidiaries?
    EMH beat me to it, but both Mazda and Subaru are looking to Toyota to help keep them afloat without looking overseas. Expect Toyota ownership to grow as time advances.

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    Re: Toyota, Subaru, Suzuki, and Mazda Combine on BEVs

    They're missing one BEV maker to form E-Volt-tron.
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    Re: Toyota, Subaru, Suzuki, and Mazda Combine on BEVs

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Buttons View Post
    They're missing one BEV maker to form E-Volt-tron.
    Its typical American reporting, always put down the home team, so that you appear to know what is happening outside and also appear to be well rounded and travelled

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    Quote Originally Posted by SVT74 View Post
    Mazda and Subaru are a half step away from being full on Toyota subsidiaries at this point anyway. So, it may not be the conglomeration the title suggests. If this said Toyota, Honda, and Nissan things would be completely different.
    They might as well. Subaru and Mazda cannot exist on their own they are too weak. The only reason Mazda even made it this far was because they had FORD money and after FORD realized they couldn't manage more than one brand they sold it off to die just like everything else

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