Toyota boss says autonomous cars will accept crash liability

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    Toyota boss says autonomous cars will accept crash liability




    Manufacturers will have to accept liability in the event of an autonomous accident, according to bosses at Toyota’s research institute.

    Manufacturers of autonomous cars will have to accept liability in the event of an accident involving one of their vehicles – according to the specialist in charge of Toyota’s project to develop its own self-driving technology.

    Dr Gill Pratt, CEO of Toyota Research Institute, says that manufacturers “won’t have a choice” but to accept that without a human driver to blame for an accident, the law is likely to turn to the companies who make the vehicles instead.

    “As we move towards autonomous cars, the crash rate will be lower than now but it will not be zero,” Pratt told Auto Express. “When that does happen, there will really only be one thing left to take responsibility – the company that made the product.

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    Re: Toyota boss says autonomous cars will accept crash liability

    In other news, ALL manufacturers just canceled plans for autonomous vehicles.

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    Re: Toyota boss says autonomous cars will accept crash liability

    You mean like Tesla has right? Or like Uber did in Phoenix?

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    Re: Toyota boss says autonomous cars will accept crash liability

    I envision state governments, such as their department of insurance, requiring each new autonomous vehicle sold to come with a predetermined amount of required insurance - carried by the manufacturer.

    This would ensure coverage for manufacturer caused crashes. The manufacturers would include the coverage cost in the base price of the vehicle - or add it in as a line-item surcharge.

    The coverage would follow subsequent owners - who may have to pay a renewal fee when buying the vehicle. The state would limit the amount of damages allowed per incident.

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    Re: Toyota boss says autonomous cars will accept crash liability

    The transition will be made. The government will step in somehow and mitigate the liability. Autonomous electric vehicles are coming and will take over.

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    Re: Toyota boss says autonomous cars will accept crash liability

    Quote Originally Posted by 1999 White C5 Coupe View Post
    I envision state governments, such as their department of insurance, requiring each new autonomous vehicle sold to come with a predetermined amount of required insurance - carried by the manufacturer.

    This would ensure coverage for manufacturer caused crashes. The manufacturers would include the coverage cost in the base price of the vehicle - or add it in as a line-item surcharge.

    The coverage would follow subsequent owners - who may have to pay a renewal fee when buying the vehicle. The state would limit the amount of damages allowed per incident.
    Exactly what I am thinking. This is just a shift of insurance responsibility from the consumer to the manufacturer. If there are less accidents, the overall cost of the insurance to the manufacturer will go down vs. the overall cost to the end-consumer (us today). If it gets low enough, the manufacturers will self-insure. One way or another we will still pay for the insurance, either directly paying the premiums, have it rolled into the price of the car or part of some kind of monthly fee from the manufacturer.

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    Re: Toyota boss says autonomous cars will accept crash liability

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    Exactly what I am thinking. This is just a shift of insurance responsibility from the consumer to the manufacturer. If there are less accidents, the overall cost of the insurance to the manufacturer will go down vs. the overall cost to the end-consumer (us today). If it gets low enough, the manufacturers will self-insure. One way or another we will still pay for the insurance, either directly paying the premiums, have it rolled into the price of the car or part of some kind of monthly fee from the manufacturer.
    I would expect that the autonomous cars IF YOU OWN one will require a monthly service agreement to even work - someone HAS to pay for the service behind the car
    I could see leasing being the "defacto" way it is done with NO buyout at the end - to reduce liability of OLDER / less up to date cars driving around with increased accident risk

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    Re: Toyota boss says autonomous cars will accept crash liability

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    Exactly what I am thinking. This is just a shift of insurance responsibility from the consumer to the manufacturer. If there are less accidents, the overall cost of the insurance to the manufacturer will go down vs. the overall cost to the end-consumer (us today). If it gets low enough, the manufacturers will self-insure. One way or another we will still pay for the insurance, either directly paying the premiums, have it rolled into the price of the car or part of some kind of monthly fee from the manufacturer.
    Do "insurance" and "go down" go in the same sentence? haha.

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    Re: Toyota boss says autonomous cars will accept crash liability

    Quote Originally Posted by 1999 White C5 Coupe View Post
    I envision state governments, such as their department of insurance, requiring each new autonomous vehicle sold to come with a predetermined amount of required insurance - carried by the manufacturer.

    This would ensure coverage for manufacturer caused crashes. The manufacturers would include the coverage cost in the base price of the vehicle - or add it in as a line-item surcharge.

    The coverage would follow subsequent owners - who may have to pay a renewal fee when buying the vehicle. The state would limit the amount of damages allowed per incident.
    If these vehicles are sold to third party fleet operators (like an Uber or some sort of commercial entity that operates a fleet in a city environment, wouldn't that third party have some liability, at least in terms of maintenance?

    This assumes that the manufacturers own the fleet and are responsible for maintaining the fleet. Is that the other inference about the plans for autonomous vehicles - that there will be no ownership other than by the manufacturers?

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    Re: Toyota boss says autonomous cars will accept crash liability

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    Exactly what I am thinking. This is just a shift of insurance responsibility from the consumer to the manufacturer. If there are less accidents, the overall cost of the insurance to the manufacturer will go down vs. the overall cost to the end-consumer (us today). If it gets low enough, the manufacturers will self-insure. One way or another we will still pay for the insurance, either directly paying the premiums, have it rolled into the price of the car or part of some kind of monthly fee from the manufacturer.
    I would expect it to go the way of the nuclear industry. The government is the insurer. The possible claims against any insurer could bankrupt the carrier. Imagine a bug or exploit the size of some of the viruses that have come out. Or the latest issue with processors and speculative execution issues. the proper exploit could cause every single copy of a certain type of vehicle to crash. Granted once the cars started to pile up for the "CKX5" autonomous model, they would be disabled. But if it were a popular model, expect thousands to millions to crash within an hour of each other. It would not be pretty. Remember an autonomous car does not have that builtin self preservation thing we meat sacks have.

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    Re: Toyota boss says autonomous cars will accept crash liability

    Quote Originally Posted by Vagon11 View Post
    You mean like Tesla has right? Or like Uber did in Phoenix?
    I won't compare any of those to Toyota or a Japanese company. Japanese culture is strong on honor, if an executive or a politician brings dishonor upon their position they commit suicide. Can you imagine if America had a similar culture? How many politicians and executives would have offed themselves by now? If you ever wonder how the Japanese can punch above their weight this is one reason why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RamJet502 View Post
    The transition will be made. The government will step in somehow and mitigate the liability. Autonomous electric vehicles are coming and will take over.
    Not anytime soon, according to a guy that probably knows more than anyone on this board: https://www.thedetroitbureau.com/201...steve-wozniak/

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    Re: Toyota boss says autonomous cars will accept crash liability

    Quote Originally Posted by 62Lincoln View Post
    Not anytime soon, according to a guy that probably knows more than anyone on this board: https://www.thedetroitbureau.com/201...steve-wozniak/
    Steve Wozniak hasn't been relevant since 1984, he is out of his league here, and I say this as someone who appreciates his work on Integer BASIC, Apple II and ADB. Though being 69 years old, he might still be right, since I see the technology being 10 years away.
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    Re: Toyota boss says autonomous cars will accept crash liability

    This looks like it's going for a nightmare scenario at some point making for the to hit the fan.

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