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    Lincoln to co-develop EV with Rivian, end MKZ sedan output

    Lincoln to co-develop EV with Rivian, end MKZ sedan output
    MICHAEL MARTINEZ
    January 29, 2020
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    DETROIT — The electric vehicle that Ford Motor Co. is developing with startup Rivian will be badged as a Lincoln.

    The vehicle, built on Rivian's flexible skateboard platform, will be Lincoln's first EV, Lincoln said in a statement. The brand did not say what type of vehicle it will be, where it will be assembled or when it will go on sale.

    Ford last year invested $500 million in Rivian.

    "Working with Rivian marks a pivotal point for Lincoln as we move toward a future that includes fully electric vehicles," Lincoln President Joy Falotico said in a statement. "This vehicle will take Quiet Flight to a new place — zero emissions, effortless performance and connected and intuitive technology. It's going to be stunning."

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    Re: Lincoln to co-develop EV with Rivian, end MKZ sedan output

    Late to the party, sounds like they're still way behind even with the purchase of a large portion of Rivian.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/forge...133801499.html

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    Re: Lincoln to co-develop EV with Rivian, end MKZ sedan output

    Forgetting the Mach E already? How are they "way behind" exactly?

    The Mach E architecture is also the basis for a midsize utility to slot below the ultra-premium large Rivian Lincoln. Ford gets one too.

    And don't forget PHEVs Aviator and Corsair. Something not available at Caddy for example.

    The Rivian Lincoln will be branded Continental. The Rivian CEO confirmed it is a Utility in a recent interview and it has a the U787 product code which means Utility in Ford code speak. The Continental branding is probably why Lincoln doesn't want to call it a Utility at this point. It's apparently a very dramatic design according to the Rivian CEO.

    This plan isn't exactly new, Lincoln has been developing a EV utility replacement for Continental since 2017, although I'm not sure when the Rivian tie-up happened. But Ford really wanted to involve Rivian in this Lincoln long before the deal was struck, they actually wanted to buy them but they weren't for sale. Rivian refused to work with GM because they wanted exclusivity while Ford didn't have the same demands.

    All of this is happening in the 2023 model year.
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    The only reason manufacturers are making huge investments in BEVs is because they have been sold “magic beans” , that this is where future mass profits reside.

    Outside of premium luxury and the + $50K buyer, there’s little to no profit in $29k-$30k ICEs let alone BEVs in that price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BORG View Post
    Forgetting the Mach E already? How are they "way behind" exactly?

    The Mach E architecture is also the basis for a midsize utility to slot below the ultra-premium large Rivian Lincoln. Ford gets one too.

    And don't forget PHEVs Aviator and Corsair. Something not available at Caddy for example.

    The Rivian Lincoln will be branded Continental. The Rivian CEO confirmed it is a Utility in a recent interview and it has a the U787 product code which means Utility in Ford code speak. The Continental branding is probably why Lincoln doesn't want to call it a Utility at this point. It's apparently a very dramatic design according to the Rivian CEO.

    This plan isn't exactly new, Lincoln has been developing a EV utility replacement for Continental since 2017, although I'm not sure when the Rivian tie-up happened. But Ford really wanted to involve Rivian in this Lincoln long before the deal was struck, they actually wanted to buy them but they weren't for sale. Rivian refused to work with GM because they wanted exclusivity while Ford didn't have the same demands.

    All of this is happening in the 2023 model year.
    Rivian also said that the design and engineering on the Lincoln variant is completed.... so maybe before 2023?
    If so, it sounds like Ford was working with Rivian long before the buy in...

    Fusion production ends at Hermosillo in June so assuming that MKZ production ends at the same time.

    I wonder if the Ford and Lincoln crossovers begin next year as ICE and hybrids and add the Ohio BEVs in 2023?
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    Re: Lincoln to co-develop EV with Rivian, end MKZ sedan output

    Quote Originally Posted by RamJet502 View Post
    Late to the party, sounds like they're still way behind even with the purchase of a large portion of Rivian.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/forge...133801499.html
    Quote Originally Posted by BORG View Post
    Forgetting the Mach E already? How are they "way behind" exactly?.......
    GM and Tesla have been producing EVs for a decade now.

    But being "way behind" is a good thing here, as GM and Tesla have used up their EV tax credits, giving Ford (and every body else) a pretty big pricing advantage.
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    Re: Lincoln to co-develop EV with Rivian, end MKZ sedan output

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainDan View Post
    GM and Tesla have been producing EVs for a decade now.

    But being "way behind" is a good thing here, as GM and Tesla have used up their EV tax credits, giving Ford (and every body else) a pretty big pricing advantage.
    Ford used up quite a few of these credits on their hybrid sales so there won't be many left when they start selling BEVs.

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    Re: Lincoln to co-develop EV with Rivian, end MKZ sedan output

    And in other news here the MKZ is officially dying in 2021. Another casualty in the quest for SUV's and electrics.

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    Re: Lincoln to co-develop EV with Rivian, end MKZ sedan output

    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    And in other news here the MKZ is officially dying in 2021. Another casualty in the quest for SUV's and electrics.
    And quest for profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Member17739 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainDan View Post
    GM and Tesla have been producing EVs for a decade now.

    But being "way behind" is a good thing here, as GM and Tesla have used up their EV tax credits, giving Ford (and every body else) a pretty big pricing advantage.
    Ford used up quite a few of these credits on their hybrid sales so there won't be many left when they start selling BEVs.
    The quota does not apply to hybrids, only PHEVs and BEVs

    GM has arguably wasted / squandered more actual builds on Volts and Bolts with little or no impact on general buyer impression of electric vehicles.
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    Re: Lincoln to co-develop EV with Rivian, end MKZ sedan output

    Quote Originally Posted by LONGHORN View Post
    And quest for profit.

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    Re: Lincoln to co-develop EV with Rivian, end MKZ sedan output

    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    And in other news here the MKZ is officially dying in 2021. Another casualty in the quest for SUV's and electrics.
    It sounded pretty good until I actually said it.

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    Re: Lincoln to co-develop EV with Rivian, end MKZ sedan output

    Quote Originally Posted by LONGHORN View Post
    And quest for profit.
    It sounded pretty good until I actually said it.

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    Re: Lincoln to co-develop EV with Rivian, end MKZ sedan output

    Quote Originally Posted by RamJet502 View Post
    Late to the party, sounds like they're still way behind even with the purchase of a large portion of Rivian.
    Quote Originally Posted by BORG View Post
    Forgetting the Mach E already? How are they "way behind" exactly?

    The Mach E architecture is also the basis for a midsize utility to slot below the ultra-premium large Rivian Lincoln. Ford gets one too.

    And don't forget PHEVs Aviator and Corsair. Something not available at Caddy for example.

    All of this is happening in the 2023 model year.

    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    Rivian also said that the design and engineering on the Lincoln variant is completed.... so maybe before 2023?
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainDan View Post
    GM and Tesla have been producing EVs for a decade now.

    But being "way behind" is a good thing here, as GM and Tesla have used up their EV tax credits, giving Ford (and every body else) a pretty big pricing advantage.
    I'm confused, is GM ahead or behind? Or is Ford behind, but ahead at the same time?...................


    Quote Originally Posted by Member17739 View Post
    Ford used up quite a few of these credits on their hybrid sales so there won't be many left when they start selling BEVs.
    How many does GM and Tesla have left?



    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    And in other news here the MKZ is officially dying in 2021. Another casualty in the quest for SUV's and electrics.
    Quote Originally Posted by LONGHORN View Post
    And quest for profit.
    What happens when everyone makes an excessive amount of CUV's, will the demand for for sedan get to a point, that they hold their value more than a CUV?


    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    The quota does not apply to hybrids, only PHEVs and BEVs

    GM has arguably wasted / squandered more actual builds on Volts and Bolts with little or no impact on general buyer impression of electric vehicles.
    10 years building brand equity in the Volt and Voltec and they "pulled-the-plug" pun-intended...................
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    Re: Lincoln to co-develop EV with Rivian, end MKZ sedan output

    Quote Originally Posted by BORG View Post
    Forgetting the Mach E already? How are they "way behind" exactly?

    The Mach E architecture is also the basis for a midsize utility to slot below the ultra-premium large Rivian Lincoln. Ford gets one too.

    And don't forget PHEVs Aviator and Corsair. Something not available at Caddy for example.

    The Rivian Lincoln will be branded Continental. The Rivian CEO confirmed it is a Utility in a recent interview and it has a the U787 product code which means Utility in Ford code speak. The Continental branding is probably why Lincoln doesn't want to call it a Utility at this point. It's apparently a very dramatic design according to the Rivian CEO.

    This plan isn't exactly new, Lincoln has been developing a EV utility replacement for Continental since 2017, although I'm not sure when the Rivian tie-up happened. But Ford really wanted to involve Rivian in this Lincoln long before the deal was struck, they actually wanted to buy them but they weren't for sale. Rivian refused to work with GM because they wanted exclusivity while Ford didn't have the same demands.

    All of this is happening in the 2023 model year.
    Where can one buy all this vapor ware?

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