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    Mustang adds some sizzle to Ford sales

    More than 15,000 a month sold, it surpasses Chrysler 300
    June 1, 2005
    BY SARAH A. WEBSTER
    FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER

    Detroit has a new crown jewel.

    After just one year on the market, the much-lauded Chrysler 300 -- winner of a long list of awards and the gotta-have-it hype of such celebrities as Snoop Dogg -- is being outsold by a hot new domestic car. And a two-door coupe to boot.

    Yes, the new Ford Mustang, after six months on the market, is more popular than the flashy 300.

    For the first four months of the year, Ford Motor Co. sold 61,820 Mustangs, while the 300 raked in sales of 49,089 during the same period. That's a healthy lead of more than 12,000 vehicles for the new retro-inspired Mustang, which is built in Flat Rock.

    Of course, comparing the Mustang to the 300 may seem like comparing an apple to an orange, said Jesse Toprak, a senior analyst at the consumer Web site Edmunds.com. The Mustang is a sporty coupe, or convertible, that costs between $19,890 and $31,420, while the 300 is a practical large sedan that costs between $24,045 and $35,095.

    But the Chrysler 300 has been widely regarded as Detroit's hottest car during the past year, and Ford's Mustang seems to have quietly snatched that honor away from its crosstown rival this year.

    "This is the hottest domestic product on the market right now," Michael Devan, general manager of Maroone Ford, a large dealership in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla., said of the Mustang. His store has 48 customers on a waiting list for the GT version of the Mustang, and he's been trying to buy up Mustangs on eBay.com in order to meet his demand.

    "The car is just plain hot," Devan said.

    Steve Lyons, Ford's vice president for North American marketing, sales and service, said, "I don't think there's any question it's the hottest car in the industry."

    Ford has a backlog of 14,000 retail orders, and about 30,000 dealer orders. So the Mustang is essentially sold out until the 2006 model year.

    "We've just told the dealers, 'Stop -- we can't build anymore,' " Lyons said. "We're not going to add any significant capacity, and I do hope, at least for the foreseeable future, that we'll have a very sold-out plant."

    Gary Dilts, senior vice president of sales for DaimlerChrysler AG's Chrysler Group, which makes Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep vehicles, said the Auburn Hills-based automaker is pleased with its 300 sales and is coming out with a variety of derivations to keep customers coming. An SRT-8 performance version of the 300C hit the market in April and some consumers are hoping for a convertible next year.

    Dilts also noted that the Dodge Magnum and Charger are built off the same underlying architecture as the 300, keeping the Ontario plant that builds the vehicles extremely busy.

    While Dilts noted that the 300 and Mustang sell in "totally different segments," he acknowledged that the "Mustang is doing a nice job ... and it's certainly got off to a good start."

    Earlier this year, the designer of the 300 even gave kudos to the new Mustang, predicting it would sell well.

    "I respect the Mustang," Ralph Gilles, the design director who oversees large Chrysler and Dodge passenger cars and minivans, said during an interview with the Free Press in February. "I give Ford a lot of credit for it. I think it's really well done. It's a beautiful car."

    According to a consumer survey released by Edmunds.com in May, the Mustang won a landslide victory as the Most Significant Vehicle of the Year for 2005, and the Chrysler 300 sedan took second place. The two cars beat out all foreign competitors.

    When it comes to hot product offerings from domestic automakers, Toprak said, "it's really the 300 and the Mustang."

    The Mustang, though, seems to be getting a few more buyers than the 300 did after its launch.

    Last month, consumers bought 19,559 Mustangs. The biggest month the 300 ever scored was in December, with 13,525 sales. The Mustang is averaging about 15,455 sales a month this year, versus 12,272 for the 300.

    Toprak also noted that the Mustang is selling with a nominal $59 in estimated incentives six months after its launch. Edmunds.com estimates that the 300 had more than $1,100 in incentives six months after its kickoff, although Toprak noted that vehicles with higher sticker prices usually require bigger incentives.

    Mike Jackson, chief executive officer of AutoNation Inc., the largest chain of auto dealerships in the country, in a recent interview called the Mustang "a complete success" and pointed to it as proof that Detroit automakers can make a strong comeback against foreign competitors.

    Despite the success of the new Mustang, however, analysts expect Ford Motor Co. sales to be down 2 to 5% in May. Automakers are expected to report their results today. Wall Street experts who track the industry, meanwhile, expect sales to be down 5 to 7% at General Motors Corp. and up 3 to 6% at the Auburn Hills-based Chrysler Group.

    Devan believes the Mustang's heritage and the retro styling of the new model have been crucial to its success."What that car doesn't have that the Mustang has is" a legacy, Devan said of the 300.

    Having a pool of consumers chomping at the bit for a new Mustang might have given the product an edge over the 300.

    Just ask 82-year-old John Kachigian of Northville, a retired Ford worker who bought his 12th Mustang last year, when the company released its new body style.

    "The car does make you feel a lot younger," said Kachigian, who said he has been anxiously waiting for Ford to build a retro version of the Mustang that harkens back to the old Mustang with which he first fell in love.

    "I want to go back in time," he said.

    While the Mustang name seems to lend some edge to the sports car, the success is somewhat surprising given the fact the car is a two-door coupe. Sedans are usually seen as better sellers than coupes -- largely because they are more practical -- and some automakers have been moving away from that segment of the market.

    But as competitors move out of the sporty car coupe segment, Mustang is taking an increasingly large piece of that coupe pie. Ford estimates the Mustang's share of the "sporty car" segment at 54.6% through April.

    "This coupe has shown that a coupe can be successful," said Robert Parker, Ford division's car marketing manager. With shifts in the market, he also noted, "it's difficult to pinpoint a challenger."

    Lyons ticked off a list of competitors, such as the Camaro and Firebird, which no longer exist in the segment.

    Source: http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/...e_20050601.htm
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    Re: Hey GM are you Listening?

    Kind of nice to see good looking young girls and women driving the non-GT models too. Car sure seems to have a wide appeal. Who would have thought a Mustang would make such an impact, some very forward thinking by Ford for sure. Seems like a lot of car for under $20,000.

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    Re: Hey GM are you Listening? Mustang sales Red-Hot

    This is already posted in the Ford Discussion.

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    Re: Hey GM are you Listening? Mustang sales Red-Hot

    I was just thinking on how the situation seems alot like the 1960's all over again.

    Ford builds a hot coupe, GM scrambles to put something on the street (then: Upgraded Chevy II; now upgraded MCSS v8) until a traditional, head to head compeditor can be built.

    Me thinks that history may be repeating itself here. Codename "Panther" anybody?
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    Re: Hey GM are you Listening? Mustang sales Red-Hot

    I finally saw one(imported privately),the car is gorgeous and looks stunning.The size of it is perfect,It's neither too small,nor too big.I don't understand why so many people complained about the interior,It's at the same level as my grandfather's 2003 Audi A3 interior.It's ridiculous it isn't offered officially in Europe.Even with the taxes the GT costs in Poland as much as a base 3-series Coupe.I wanted to take it for a spin,but the seller wasn't allowed by the owner to let people drive it

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    Re: Hey GM are you Listening? Mustang sales Red-Hot

    The Camaro and Firebird are as essential as napkins at McDonalds. They dont bring in any money....but are very important.

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    Re: Hey GM are you Listening? Mustang sales Red-Hot

    Quote Originally Posted by ejfx
    The Camaro and Firebird are as essential as napkins at McDonalds. They dont bring in any money....but are very important.
    Are you implying that the Mustang, 200K built a year and many selling at $30K with no incentives, doesn't bring Ford any money? In fact, it's probably as big a cash cow as something like an incentivized Explorer.

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    Re: Hey GM are you Listening? Mustang sales Red-Hot

    I'm glad for Ford, and the US industry for this. But I have to say this: it's what sales are like next year and the one after that tells us if it's a success. There was such pent-up demand for a new Mustang that an "out-of-the-box" hit was almost assured. But, as with the Thunderbird and the PT Cruiser (and maybe the HHR), the first year sales may be its best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desmo9
    Are you implying that the Mustang, 200K built a year and many selling at $30K with no incentives, doesn't bring Ford any money? In fact, it's probably as big a cash cow as something like an incentivized Explorer.
    No, he said the F body cars didn't make any money. The Mustang always was worth more to Ford than the F Body was to GM. GM likely wont make much off a new one unless they up the Mustang, but they still need an affordable sportscar to compete and put some excitement back into buyers. Need something to get the Cobalt buyers in the showroom door.

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    Re: Hey GM are you Listening? Mustang sales Red-Hot

    Did you think that GM even thought about the consequences before they killed the Camaro? They should have made the car kick ass fast and all around better than the Mustang instead of just giving up. Now they are losing sales and they wish they had the f-body. Exactly what I've been saying all along. All I have to say now is I told you so.

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    It's no surprise. It's a lot of car for the money. And I imagine a great drive too, without all the techno-bs that Germans and Japanese put in their cars. Of course, GM did a lot to help the Mustang since it has no competition from GM or DCX. As long as Ford doesn't go all GM on the price and raises it exhorbitantly, they'll keep selling them well.
    I'm sure there must be a few people at GM who are dying to bring back the F-body. But GM is more interested in some ludicrous global utopia and more concerned with filling the pockets of ad agencies than with product development and quality improvement.
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    I am so sick of this GM needs a Camaro nonsence. Ford and GM have both known the Stang was going to sell well, as it always has, even in its poorest years it still stold well. So combine that with the fad styling of retro cars and duh, its going to sell very intially. Of course its going to outsell the 300, look at the starting prices.

    GM knows, and knew all along what not having the fbody was going to do, and they came to the conclusion that it was better to not have it, then to bge tied to what it was. When the new Mustang is still ridding on the same dated platform and technoledgy that its been based on for the past 40 some odd years, and we have a brand new Camaro that has a decent interior, an decent suspension, and decent engine for a good price then we will laugh.

    Besides for all this talk of needing a new camaro, how many of you would actually go out and buy one when it came out. Thousands of people cried for a RWD V8 coupe from Pontiac but then suddenly it wasn't styled right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocturn_Bird
    I am so sick of this GM needs a Camaro nonsence. Ford and GM have both known the Stang was going to sell well, as it always has, even in its poorest years it still stold well. So combine that with the fad styling of retro cars and duh, its going to sell very intially. Of course its going to outsell the 300, look at the starting prices.

    GM knows, and knew all along what not having the fbody was going to do, and they came to the conclusion that it was better to not have it, then to bge tied to what it was. When the new Mustang is still ridding on the same dated platform and technoledgy that its been based on for the past 40 some odd years, and we have a brand new Camaro that has a decent interior, an decent suspension, and decent engine for a good price then we will laugh.

    Besides for all this talk of needing a new camaro, how many of you would actually go out and buy one when it came out. Thousands of people cried for a RWD V8 coupe from Pontiac but then suddenly it wasn't styled right.
    Well I would go buy one. And no the GTO was not styled right. The 05 is much better than the 04 all around and the sales reflect it.

    Face it, we need the Camaro, especially to cover the full spectrum from 19,995 to a fire breathing GT500 stomper.

    And if it is all done right, no cut corners and no sacrifice, it WILL OUTSELL THE MUSTANG!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom3
    Kind of nice to see good looking young girls and women driving the non-GT models too. Car sure seems to have a wide appeal. Who would have thought a Mustang would make such an impact, some very forward thinking by Ford for sure. Seems like a lot of car for under $20,000.
    My wife is in her late 20s and drives our '04 GT more than I do. She loves it. Especially at the stop light next to civics with big wings on them!

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