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    Ford says electrified vehicles will account for majority of European sales by 2022

    September 11, 2019

    Ford says electrified vehicles will account for majority of European sales by 2022

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    Ford Motor said on Tuesday it’s launching eight electrified vehicles in Europe this year and that it expects the majority of its European passenger sales will be either a type of hybrid or fully electric by the end of 2022.

    This year’s launches include hybrid versions of the Kuga and Puma SUVs and the Mondeo station wagon. An all-electric, Mustang-inspired SUV launches next year with a targeted driving range of more than 596 km (370 miles), Ford said.

    Ford is highlighting its electrified vehicles at the Frankfurt auto show.
    The automaker says it plans nine electrified vehicles in Europe by 2024 in addition to the eight launched this year, and expects its electrified passenger vehicles to surpass sales of gasoline and diesel models by 2022 in Europe. Earlier this year the company committed that every new Ford passenger vehicle nameplate in Europe will include an electrified option.

    Ford also said on Tuesday it would partner with six leading energy suppliers across Europe to provide home charging wall box installation services and green energy tariffs for its electric car owners. The company will also introduce a smartphone app that will let its users and operators locate, navigate to and pay for charging.
    The automaker, like its rivals, has been facing stagnant demand and rising costs as it invests billions of dollars in electrified and autonomous vehicles in an effort to boost sales.

    In a bid to slash development and manufacturing costs, Ford tied up with Volkswagen Group in July to jointly develop electric and self-driving vehicles. VW agreed to invest $2.6 billion into Ford's Argo AI self-driving unit, but estimated it could realize up to $20 billion in revenue by sharing its MEB electric vehicle architecture with Ford in Europe.

    Ford had said it expects to build more than 600,000 electric vehicles in Europe over six years, sourcing components and the vehicle underpinnings from VW, helping both to cut costs.

    The cooperation with VW on electric vehicles in Europe is part of Ford's previously disclosed $11.5 billion EV investment worldwide.

    Ford has been restructuring in Europe, and said in June it would cut 12,000 jobs, close plants and cut shifts at other factories in Europe by the end of 2020 to help it return to profitability in the region.


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    Re: Ford says electrified vehicles will account for majority of European sales by 202

    Getting new sales of electrified vehicles up from 5% to 50% in 3 years is a huge ask - the infrastructure isn't expanding fast enough to support that growth anyway.

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    Re: Ford says electrified vehicles will account for majority of European sales by 202

    Isn't electricity per KWH fairly expensive in most of Europe? Germany highest on the planet?
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    Re: Ford says electrified vehicles will account for majority of European sales by 202

    Quote Originally Posted by tripowergto Jan2003 View Post
    Isn't electricity per KWH fairly expensive in most of Europe? Germany highest on the planet?
    Though is it any worse than the price they charge for gas?

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    Re: Ford says electrified vehicles will account for majority of European sales by 202

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    Getting new sales of electrified vehicles up from 5% to 50% in 3 years is a huge ask - the infrastructure isn't expanding fast enough to support that growth anyway.
    It isn't expanding fast enough and it can't expand big enough.
    The pointy-headed Rulers at EU HQ in Bruxxels don't know that, and they don't care. They are so smart that all shall be overcome, just like Pete Seeger sang about

    Quote Originally Posted by tripowergto Jan2003 View Post
    Isn't electricity per KWH fairly expensive in most of Europe? Germany highest on the planet?
    Yes but gasoline and diesel infrastructure EXISTS. Sufficient 'Lektrik infrastructure is a dream.
    Come 2025 or so we'll see lots of people standing around scratching their asses wondering how in **** to charge their Miraclemobiles.
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    Re: Ford says electrified vehicles will account for majority of European sales by 202

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    Getting new sales of electrified vehicles up from 5% to 50% in 3 years is a huge ask - the infrastructure isn't expanding fast enough to support that growth anyway.

    Toyota should make over electric hybrids 50% in 2019, they sold 4 electric hybrid mix: West Europe: 61% - East Europe: 5%, 46% average in Europe were electric hybrids, total electric hybrid sales: 435,119.

    Lexus sales grew by +2.1% in 2018 thanks to strong demand for the best-selling model NX. With an average hybrid mix of 60% of total sales and 99% sales in Western Europe 5% of sale in Eastern, average 60% were electric hybrids. Total Toyota/Lexus electric hybrid sales: 480,794 (+18% year-on-year)

    Tesla Model 3 seems to be selling well last month Rupert not bad straight out the box.

    No1 best selling car in Norway

    No2 best selling car in the Netherlands

    No 3 best selling car in the UK

    No 4 best selling car in Switzerland

    No 10 best selling car in Sweden

    Tesla sales seem to be on an upward protectory +350% to +4,200% in most of the other European countries in August, in a month compared to sales last August not a few years. VW say they will be expecting selling 22 million EV's in the next 10 years before 2029.

    EU legislation seems to be pushing them into EV's now VW's been caught out with thier diesel pants down using cheat devices are no longer in vogue in Europe Rupert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    Though is it any worse than the price they charge for gas?
    Renault Zoe EV takes 5.9 hours to charge up to 100%, 41kWh added, mile added: 188 miles, charge cost 3.28 ($4.04), cost per mile 1.8p.

    Fuel for a typical gasoline or diesel car costs around 12p per mile - so the cost for driving the same distance 188 miles would be around 22.30 ($27.49), giving you a 19.02 ($23.45) saving with this RENAULT Zoe EV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    It isn't expanding fast enough and it can't expand big enough.
    No, it will expand to accommodate what Ford and others are saying... The sales need to happen though...


    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    Yes but gasoline and diesel infrastructure EXISTS. Sufficient 'Lektrik infrastructure is a dream.
    Come 2025 or so we'll see lots of people standing around scratching their asses wondering how in **** to charge their Miraclemobiles.
    Again, if the numbers they are basing their future on is true, the Exxon/Mobil's in Europe will gladly move to electric to maintain revenue...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    It isn't expanding fast enough and it can't expand big enough.
    The pointy-headed Rulers at EU HQ in Bruxxels don't know that, and they don't care. They are so smart that all shall be overcome, just like Pete Seeger sang about



    Yes but gasoline and diesel infrastructure EXISTS. Sufficient 'Lektrik infrastructure is a dream.
    Come 2025 or so we'll see lots of people standing around scratching their asses wondering how in **** to charge their Miraclemobiles.
    How fast can they build windmills?

    Maybe GM should open a new European division, selling gas or diesel powered portable generators, so everyone can adequately charge their EV's at home?

    Europe is much different, than the US, but the speed at which they are running, it's like that time you were a kid, running in complete darkness, without a clue if there was something in front of you, that you weren't expecting to be there!

    The entire auto industry is running, and they aren't even sure it the right direction, an you wonder why their stock prices suck so bad!
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    Re: Ford says electrified vehicles will account for majority of European sales by 202

    electrified and electric are 2 different things
    the Prius is "electrified" and is no burden to the "grid"
    so Ford will make most of their cars hybrid and a few EV's

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    Quote Originally Posted by richmond2000 View Post
    electrified and electric are 2 different things
    the Prius is "electrified" and is no burden to the "grid"
    so Ford will make most of their cars hybrid and a few EV's
    Very good point, so where does this leave GM, who is completely departing from hybrids of any kind?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    Very good point, so where does this leave GM, who is completely departing from hybrids of any kind?
    Sitting in the corner on a stool facing the wall wearing a dunce cap?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    How fast can they build windmills?

    Maybe GM should open a new European division, selling gas or diesel powered portable generators, so everyone can adequately charge their EV's at home?

    Europe is much different, than the US, but the speed at which they are running, it's like that time you were a kid, running in complete darkness, without a clue if there was something in front of you, that you weren't expecting to be there!

    The entire auto industry is running, and they aren't even sure it the right direction, an you wonder why their stock prices suck so bad!
    You joke about home generators, but it would not surprise me in the least if, in a few years when the thinness of the grid becomes somewhat clear to even the Dolts, a Whiz Kid (think Robert McNamara) at GM comes up with that very idea. "Hey! Why don't we make home generators so people can conveniently charge their 'lektriks at home? Huh?"

    Quote Originally Posted by richmond2000 View Post
    electrified and electric are 2 different things
    the Prius is "electrified" and is no burden to the "grid"
    so Ford will make most of their cars hybrid and a few EV's
    Ford can then borrow K-mart's slogan, "K-mart Smart!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by richmond2000 View Post
    electrified and electric are 2 different things
    the Prius is "electrified" and is no burden to the "grid"
    so Ford will make most of their cars hybrid and a few EV's
    EV's shouldn't be a burden to the grid either. In Europe, the assumption is that panels will be used to provide juice to the batteries. These panels will be placed close to if not within the premise of where the car will charge.

    In the US, because our culture mostly adheres to a corporate based mentality, whatever juice is created, it will always be acquired via a grid forcing consumers to depend on and pay for a corporate based electric grid. This is one reason why the EV future in the US is more bleak than it is anywhere else.

    In essence, the Europeans see the electric grid as a backup source while in the US, it's the other way around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMOwner View Post
    EV's shouldn't be a burden to the grid either. In Europe, the assumption is that panels will be used to provide juice to the batteries. These panels will be placed close to if not within the premise of where the car will charge.

    In the US, because our culture mostly adheres to a corporate based mentality, whatever juice is created, it will always be acquired via a grid forcing consumers to depend on and pay for a corporate based electric grid. This is one reason why the EV future in the US is more bleak than it is anywhere else.

    In essence, the Europeans see the electric grid as a backup source while in the US, it's the other way around.
    The assumption is...?

    Anyone with sufficient property and bucks can put a "panel" up. I presume you refer to solar panels.

    Some specifics would be useful. "A panel" means nothing. How big; how costly to purchase, install, and hard-wire; how much juice does it produce; what happens on cloudy 8-hour winter days?
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    Re: Ford says electrified vehicles will account for majority of European sales by 202

    Though I do think it is a legitimate concern regarding the capabilities of our existing power grid to be able to take on the additional demands of charging electric vehicles, I think for the most part we will be fine. I expect the charging time to come way down to a half hour or less, prompting more people to charge during the day, but I bet a lot of people will still charge overnight. From what I understand our power grid is not overly taxed at night, there is a lot of spare capacity. The biggest issue will be in states where the grid is already stretched thin, such as California, if people start charging during the day.

    But, even as some of the manufacturers (GM, VW) push heavily into electrics, it isn't like overnight all cars will be converted to electric. It will take a long time until pure electrics dominate the roads and until it is at a point where many local power grids can't handle it. I suspect this will provide ample time to see demand rising and build new power plants.

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