Ford is Being Sued in Federal Court Over The 2019 Ford Ranger

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    Ford is Being Sued in Federal Court Over The 2019 Ford Ranger

    Ford is being sued in Federal court alleging that Ford misrepresented the fuel economy for the 2019 Ford Ranger and used deceptive advertising: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...gs/1131809001/

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    Re: Ford is Being Sued in Federal Court Over The 2019 Ford Ranger

    The lawsuit filed Monday on behalf of Texas resident and 2019 Ranger owner Marshall Lloyd and "on behalf of all others similarly situated" alleges Ford deliberately miscalculated road testing factors during its internal fuel economy test process "in order to report that its vehicles were more efficient than they actually were."

    Ford then used the higher fuel economy as a "selling tool," according to the lawsuit. Lloyd purchased his 2019 Ranger "on or about" Feb. 20, just a day before Ford publicly announced it was investigating the vehicle's fuel economy.

    The lawsuit cites multiple blogs that claimed to find the Ranger's fuel economy was not close to the EPA rating. Berman and Hilliard also allege that Ford programmed the vehicle's computers "with a mileage cheat device to continue to lie about the vehicle's fuel economy in order to continually conceal the misrepresentation."
    Good luck with that fishing trip......

    If this was just an error in applying a new recommended road load factor, reported internally and acted upon, then how is that deliberate intention to mislead the public?

    Lawyer's trying to get more mileage themselves by accusing Ford of using cheat software in the vehicles, that's very easy to prove or disprove.
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    Re: Ford is Being Sued in Federal Court Over The 2019 Ford Ranger

    " Actual customer mileage may vary". It looks to me like unscrupulous lawyers looking to pad their pockets here.

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    Re: Ford is Being Sued in Federal Court Over The 2019 Ford Ranger

    Agreed with the above, this seems pretty tenuous... Plus, I thought I had read that Ford's miscalculation was pretty small, though not 100% sure on my memory.

    As I think about it, I wonder why the manufacturers don't start their own lawsuits - how much did VW's cheating damage the competition? Meaning I'd think Opel, Peugot, Fiat, etc. lost sales to VW based on VW's lies to the consumer. Why do they not sue VW for lost profits? Is it because of the difficulty in quantifying? Or possibly a gentlemens agreement where they don't want to keep suing each other because eventually they will all have their day when getting caught doing something?

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    Re: Ford is Being Sued in Federal Court Over The 2019 Ford Ranger

    If you watch the You Tube reviews of the Ranger, mpg has been brought up as an issue on the ones I have seen. Whether it can be proved or not as being illegally deceptive, I guess we shall see.
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    Re: Ford is Being Sued in Federal Court Over The 2019 Ford Ranger

    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    " Actual customer mileage may vary". It looks to me like unscrupulous lawyers looking to pad their pockets here.
    It’s not just about class action suits and could involve much more than just the new Ranger model. The feds are conducting a criminal investigation as well.


    Ford Motor Co. Under Criminal Investigation By Government Over Emissions Certification


    "We voluntarily disclosed this matter to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the California Air Resources Board on February 18, 2019, and February 21, 2019, respectively. Subsequently, the U.S. Department of Justice opened a criminal investigation into the matter. In addition, we have notified a number of other state and federal agencies. We are fully cooperating with all government agencies. Because this matter is still in the preliminary stages, we cannot predict the outcome, and we cannot provide assurance that it will not have a material adverse effect on us."

    Ford said in February that it had begun an internal investigation into whether its vehicles have worse gas mileage and emit more pollutants than car, truck and SUV labels actually reveal, going back to 2017 models.
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    Re: Ford is Being Sued in Federal Court Over The 2019 Ford Ranger

    Probably the same issues with MPG as all of their EcoBoost products. I mean, they are turbos. Everyone (should) know that when you get into boost, wave goodbye to your fuel economy.
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    Re: Ford is Being Sued in Federal Court Over The 2019 Ford Ranger

    My 2019 Ranger's trip mileage is within 6% of my manually recorded Fuelly mileage. Seems like it works fine to me.

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    Re: Ford is Being Sued in Federal Court Over The 2019 Ford Ranger

    Quote Originally Posted by eastcoasthd View Post
    It’s not just about class action suits and could involve much more than just the new Ranger model. The feds are conducting a criminal investigation as well.


    Ford Motor Co. Under Criminal Investigation By Government Over Emissions Certification


    "We voluntarily disclosed this matter to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the California Air Resources Board on February 18, 2019, and February 21, 2019, respectively. Subsequently, the U.S. Department of Justice opened a criminal investigation into the matter. In addition, we have notified a number of other state and federal agencies. We are fully cooperating with all government agencies. Because this matter is still in the preliminary stages, we cannot predict the outcome, and we cannot provide assurance that it will not have a material adverse effect on us."

    Ford said in February that it had begun an internal investigation into whether its vehicles have worse gas mileage and emit more pollutants than car, truck and SUV labels actually reveal, going back to 2017 models.
    the FEDS are supposed to open a criminal investigation that is there JOB as there is a CHANCE FORD did break the LAW VS a "simple" maths error or a miss understanding of the testing requirements

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    Re: Ford is Being Sued in Federal Court Over The 2019 Ford Ranger

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyKJ View Post
    My 2019 Ranger's trip mileage is within 6% of my manually recorded Fuelly mileage. Seems like it works fine to me.
    the "issue at hand" is the trucks ACTUAL fuel economy VS the STICKER economy the truck was SOLD CLAIMING to get

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    Re: Ford is Being Sued in Federal Court Over The 2019 Ford Ranger

    Quote Originally Posted by Z Fury View Post
    Probably the same issues with MPG as all of their EcoBoost products. I mean, they are turbos. Everyone (should) know that when you get into boost, wave goodbye to your fuel economy.
    As the owner of one of those Ecoboost engines for over 100K miles, there is no issue with the actual fuel economy vs the economy stated on the window sticker. Throughout those 100K miles, my Explorer Sport (3.5L Ecoboost) has always achieved the rated economy or better. The only time it was lower was when brand new when everything was very tight. This lasted about 3-4,000 miles.

    Otherwise yes, if you drive it like you stole it, your mileage will be less................... as it is with all vehicles.

    I love people who don't own things talking about things like they actually know. They cherry pick postings on the internet like they are the absolute truth. I guarantee you that I can take any vehicle made, and make it get far lower fuel economy than it is rated from.............. over the course of thousands of miles.
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    Re: Ford is Being Sued in Federal Court Over The 2019 Ford Ranger

    Quote Originally Posted by richmond2000 View Post
    the "issue at hand" is the trucks ACTUAL fuel economy VS the STICKER economy the truck was SOLD CLAIMING to get
    and the issue here is that driving on an open road is not the same as the EPA test cycle



    Ford has admitted that it may have not applied the proper correction factors during testing
    and has begun an independent internal investigation of its test procedures and the data.

    On top of that, the criminal investigation is launched because of VW's behaviour in the lead up
    to diesel gate when it tried to delay/avoid any investigation into its testing and emissions data.
    I suspect that deliberate or wilful actions to subvert testing regimes will be the first thing checked,
    followed by any deviations in following set out procedures and test standards.
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    Re: Ford is Being Sued in Federal Court Over The 2019 Ford Ranger

    Quote Originally Posted by Extreme4x4 View Post
    As the owner of one of those Ecoboost engines for over 100K miles, there is no issue with the actual fuel economy vs the economy stated on the window sticker. Throughout those 100K miles, my Explorer Sport (3.5L Ecoboost) has always achieved the rated economy or better. The only time it was lower was when brand new when everything was very tight. This lasted about 3-4,000 miles.

    Otherwise yes, if you drive it like you stole it, your mileage will be less................... as it is with all vehicles.

    I love people who don't own things talking about things like they actually know. They cherry pick postings on the internet like they are the absolute truth. I guarantee you that I can take any vehicle made, and make it get far lower fuel economy than it is rated from.............. over the course of thousands of miles.
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    Re: Ford is Being Sued in Federal Court Over The 2019 Ford Ranger

    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    On the smaller I-4 EBs and I-3 EBs there is an issue with "cowding" the gas pedal, the throttle tip-in at small openings
    is not linear, it opens much quicker and induces enrichment when your foot presses into the gas pedal. It's easy for
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    I go from my V10 gas F250 to the Sport. Completely different driving experience, and you have to drive them differently. It is amazing how little throttle I use in my Sport, but it is also really fun when I want it to be.
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    Re: Ford is Being Sued in Federal Court Over The 2019 Ford Ranger

    I think they should sue GM instead. I'm sure it's their fault, somehow.
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