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    Ford to Add 3,000 Jobs at Two MI Plants

    Ford to Add 3,000 Jobs at Two MI Plants

    December 17, 2019 - MICHAEL MARTINEZ


    Ford Motor Co. plans to add 3,000 jobs at two assembly plants in southeastern Michigan, according to a request for tax incentives that received state approval Tuesday.

    Ford told state economic development officials that it will invest nearly $1.5 billion in the Michigan Assembly and Dearborn Truck plants to make the upcoming Bronco SUV, electrified versions of the F-150 pickup and upfitted versions of the Ranger pickup and Bronco.

    The automaker also said it would build an autonomous vehicle production center either at or near Michigan Assembly. The facility would install driverless technology on hybrid vehicles, starting in 2021.

    "This would be the first center of its kind for the company and is expected to drive synergies with its existing AV research functions in Dearborn and Detroit," the Michigan Economic Development Corp., which approved Ford's requests for about $35.3 million in incentives, said in a memo explaining the projects.

    Ford's new contract with the UAW, ratified in November, alluded to the assembly plant renovations, though it wasn't known how many jobs would result. The incentive request said employment at Michigan Assembly would double, to about 5,400 workers, while Dearborn Truck would add about 300 jobs.

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    Re: Ford to Add 3,000 Jobs at Two MI Plants

    "Michigan" is in China, right?
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    "Michigan" is in China, right?
    Or is it Mexico?
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    Re: Ford to Add 3,000 Jobs at Two MI Plants

    South Michigan is in Mexico, East Michigan is in China.

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    Re: Ford to Add 3,000 Jobs at Two MI Plants

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    3,000 jobs and 1.5 billion, compare that to GM/Hamtramck's $3 Billion bringing 2000 jobs.
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    Re: Ford to Add 3,000 Jobs at Two MI Plants

    Good job Ford.

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    Re: Ford to Add 3,000 Jobs at Two MI Plants

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
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    3,000 jobs and 1.5 billion, compare that to GM/Hamtramck's $3 Billion bringing 2000 jobs.
    Yikes.

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    Re: Ford to Add 3,000 Jobs at Two MI Plants

    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    Yikes.
    However, that is assuming the job pay is equal. What if GM's 2,000 jobs pay better (or conversely worse)? What's better, 3,000 jobs paying $10 an hour or 2,000 paying $25 an hour? Or what if GM bought a greater percentage of American made equipment/materials vs. Ford with their investment $$? I don't know the answer to any of that, but I do know the quoted numbers can't be taken at face value, they don't tell the entire story.... unless you are a politician

    And lets not forget that GM just invested $1.5B in Wentzville as well, retaining 4,000 jobs.

    How many jobs has GM already created in their pursuit of autonomous and electric vehicles over the years? Ford gets the headline splash today because it's their day to shine. But I think the above comparisons are out of context.

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    Re: Ford to Add 3,000 Jobs at Two MI Plants

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    "Michigan" is in China, right?
    Kind of. There is an organization called Michigan-China Innovation Center (MCIC) whose vision is to be the "top state-level China-focused organization in the US" and markets "Michigan" in China.

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    Re: Ford to Add 3,000 Jobs at Two MI Plants

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    However, that is assuming the job pay is equal. What if GM's 2,000 jobs pay better (or conversely worse)? What's better, 3,000 jobs paying $10 an hour or 2,000 paying $25 an hour? Or what if GM bought a greater percentage of American made equipment/materials vs. Ford with their investment $$? I don't know the answer to any of that, but I do know the quoted numbers can't be taken at face value, they don't tell the entire story.... unless you are a politician

    And lets not forget that GM just invested $1.5B in Wentzville as well, retaining 4,000 jobs.

    How many jobs has GM already created in their pursuit of autonomous and electric vehicles over the years? Ford gets the headline splash today because it's their day to shine. But I think the above comparisons are out of context.
    OMGee................... Listen to yourself!

    "What if GM's 2,000 jobs pay better" What if GM's jobs pay less?

    "What's better, 3,000 jobs paying $10 an hour or 2,000 paying $25 an hour?" What better 3 peanut butter sandwiches with fries & juice, or 2 steak sandwiches with carrots & water?

    "what if GM bought a greater percentage of American made equipment" What if GM bought a lower percentage of American made equipment?

    "I don't know the answer to any of that, but I do know the quoted numbers can't be taken at face value, they don't tell the entire story" Right, but you can be sure, both GM and Ford made them sound a rosy as possible............

    "GM just invested $1.5B in Wentzville as well, retaining 4,000 jobs." With the way GM has been acting, retaining jobs in the US is a big deal, but that is only because of their recent track record.

    "But I think the above comparisons are out of context." Dollar amount and jobs, by Ford and GM, in the state of Michigan, at basically the same point in time, "That's all" the context we have, if that isn't enough then so be-it.
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    Re: Ford to Add 3,000 Jobs at Two MI Plants

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    OMGee................... Listen to yourself!

    "What if GM's 2,000 jobs pay better" What if GM's jobs pay less?

    "What's better, 3,000 jobs paying $10 an hour or 2,000 paying $25 an hour?" What better 3 peanut butter sandwiches with fries & juice, or 2 steak sandwiches with carrots & water?

    "what if GM bought a greater percentage of American made equipment" What if GM bought a lower percentage of American made equipment?

    "I don't know the answer to any of that, but I do know the quoted numbers can't be taken at face value, they don't tell the entire story" Right, but you can be sure, both GM and Ford made them sound a rosy as possible............

    "GM just invested $1.5B in Wentzville as well, retaining 4,000 jobs." With the way GM has been acting, retaining jobs in the US is a big deal, but that is only because of their recent track record.

    "But I think the above comparisons are out of context." Dollar amount and jobs, by Ford and GM, in the state of Michigan, at basically the same point in time, "That's all" the context we have, if that isn't enough then so be-it.
    I thought you were the self declared logic master, dealing in only facts? Unless you can answer my points, you can't reasonably argue your premise that Ford is superior.

    So you know all of the roles in each plant are like-kind? You know the country of origin of all the equipment and building materials? You know all of these are equal?

    I already noted in my comment that GM's jobs could pay less. It's called admitting that you don't have the facts and not trying to present partial facts as all of the facts.

    I was pointing out all of the holes in your "logic" that allows you to point your finger at GM and declare Ford to be superior. All of my points are valid questions to which you don't have an answer other than to write something about peanut butter on your French fries.

    Your Ford vs. GM comparison in this case isn't valid unless you can tell me the details of each contract. Which you can't. If you can prove it out then I'll happily agree that Ford is doing more for the USA than GM. But you can't.

    And to your last point, only today's investments count? Based on Wall Streets admonishment of Ford over the past year or two for failing to invest in the future (self driving and battery), I'd have to say GM has been investing in self driving and batteries long before Ford, so if they invested money/created jobs 5 years ago, tell me why that doesn't count against Ford's investment today?

    You are light on facts but heavy on desire to paint GM in a bad light.

    You should just leave it at Ford just did a good thing by investing in the USA. I agree with that. You fall down in your rush to twist it into an anti-GM thing.

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    Re: Ford to Add 3,000 Jobs at Two MI Plants

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    However, that is assuming the job pay is equal. What if GM's 2,000 jobs pay better (or conversely worse)? What's better, 3,000 jobs paying $10 an hour or 2,000 paying $25 an hour? Or what if GM bought a greater percentage of American made equipment/materials vs. Ford with their investment $$? I don't know the answer to any of that, but I do know the quoted numbers can't be taken at face value, they don't tell the entire story.... unless you are a politician

    And lets not forget that GM just invested $1.5B in Wentzville as well, retaining 4,000 jobs.

    How many jobs has GM already created in their pursuit of autonomous and electric vehicles over the years? Ford gets the headline splash today because it's their day to shine. But I think the above comparisons are out of context.
    I'm guessing that considering the goings on at GM vs. the same at Ford, that Ford is more on top of their game vs. say GM and the lip service we continue to see coming from them. But that's just me and the fact that GM continues to want to bail on America. These daze it is all about splash and effect from everywhere and all angles whether it be political, Hollywood or automotive.
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    Re: Ford to Add 3,000 Jobs at Two MI Plants

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    I'm guessing that considering the goings on at GM vs. the same at Ford, that Ford is more on top of their game vs. say GM and the lip service we continue to see coming from them. But that's just me. These daze it is all about splash and effect from everywhere and all angles whether it be political, Hollywood or automotive.
    It could very well be the case, but we just don't know. I think my questions are valid and worthy of consideration.

    I say Ford did a good thing investing in the USA; but trying to compare an investment from one company vs. another without knowing the details is a fruitless comparison, something only a politician would do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    It could very well be the case, but we just don't know. I think my questions are valid and worthy of consideration.

    I say Ford did a good thing investing in the USA; but trying to compare an investment from one company vs. another without knowing the details is a fruitless comparison, something only a politician would do.
    Then Trump will be right and he can brag about both and all the jobs added, and then everyone from the internet to Ford and GM should be happy.

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