FCA to pool cars with Tesla to meet EU emissions targets

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    FCA to pool cars with Tesla to meet EU emissions targets

    Fiat to pool cars with Tesla to meet EU emissions targets
    Mazda, Toyota also partner to cut CO2 emissions
    Bloomberg via autonews.com
    April 07, 2019

    Fiat Chrysler Automobiles is pooling its fleet with Tesla Inc. to comply with stricter European Union rules on carbon-dioxide emissions, in a deal that’s likely to pay the U.S. electric-car leader hundreds of millions of dollars.

    Tightening EU regulations that kick in next year could cost Fiat 2 billion euros ($2.2 billion) in potential fines in each of 2020 and 2021, according to Jefferies analyst Philippe Houchois. In a statement, Fiat said cooperating with Tesla will give it flexibility to find “the lowest-cost approach.”

    The Italian-American carmaker is behind on meeting the new standard, and the so-called open pool option available in the EU allows automakers to group their fleets together to meet the targets. Payments to Tesla, whose EVs don’t produce CO2 emissions, may amount to over 500 million euros, according to Jefferies. Compliance has gotten harder for automakers with a move by consumers toward gasoline-powered vehicles, which emit comparatively more CO2, since Volkswagen’s 2015 diesel emissions violations.

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    So $2.2Billion in fines because they refuse to move away from a ICE only line up. Now FCA.. Do a burn out

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    Re: FCA to pool cars with Tesla to meet EU emissions targets

    It's absolutely hypocritical that the EU allows this sort of nonsense when other car makers in both Europe and RoW are investing heavily in reducing emissions.

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    Re: FCA to pool cars with Tesla to meet EU emissions targets

    Meanwhile here in the US there's talk of bring back the EV tax credit, so that's another subsidy for the car companies:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKCN1RM1NG

    Subsidizing wealthy Tesla S buyers is ridiculous. At least in NY the state credit is much lower ($500 vs. $2000) if the base MSRP is over $60K:

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    Re: FCA to pool cars with Tesla to meet EU emissions targets

    Quote Originally Posted by Rupert's Trooper View Post
    It's absolutely hypocritical that the EU allows this sort of nonsense when other car makers in both Europe and RoW are investing heavily in reducing emissions.
    how so

    FCA is PAYING to NOT be clean and Tesla is being PAYED to be clean and at the end of the day the "POOL" has to match the average the 2 seperate companies would IE FCA MISSES by 10 points Tesla HAS to be 10 points BELOW the standard so someone like FORD that is JUST making the cut can NOT pool with FCA that is NOT close as BOTH would have to pay as the POOL would FAIL to reach the standard

    the GOAL is FLEET average NOT every car make the grade

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    Re: FCA to pool cars with Tesla to meet EU emissions targets

    Quote Originally Posted by richmond2000 View Post
    how so the GOAL is FLEET average NOT every car make the grade
    No, the goal is for a manufacturer's fleet to make the grade, not to let underachievers con the system by pairing up with the overachievers and skate by. That is high school group project level **** right there.

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    Re: FCA to pool cars with Tesla to meet EU emissions targets

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    It's absolutely hypocritical that the EU allows this sort of nonsense when other car makers in both Europe and RoW are investing heavily in reducing emissions.
    What? Can I have what you are smoking?

    Build what people want to buy. Politicians have nooooo idea what that is. If you want to buy a Gladiator, you have to deal with the facts. They won't build for your tiny market without this. So, you get black market, which can't be taxed. God forbid!!!

    In reality, auto emissions are not even half of CO2 emissions globally . DUMB pols make rules that are based on no facts. Europe is so far behind in acknowledging FACTS, rather than opinions. It is why their economies are all lagging so badly.

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    Re: FCA to pool cars with Tesla to meet EU emissions targets

    So first The Masters of the Universe encourage diesel use. Lots of diesels.

    Then TMOTU discourage or outright ban diesel use. Lots fewer diesels. More of the mythical but insignificant CO2 whipping boy target is produced. This DOES seem to generate $ome nice profit$$$$ for the "EU." Whatever that is. A mess.

    Make impossible targets. Remove the one ICE that could easily meet those targets. Make big bucks fining the maker$. Anyone see a set-up?

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    Re: FCA to pool cars with Tesla to meet EU emissions targets

    The irony is that without dirty car makers like FCA buying those credits, Tesla would probably go broke.

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    Re: FCA to pool cars with Tesla to meet EU emissions targets

    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    The irony is that without dirty car makers like FCA buying those credits, Tesla would probably go broke.
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    Re: FCA to pool cars with Tesla to meet EU emissions targets

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    It's absolutely hypocritical that the EU allows this sort of nonsense when other car makers in both Europe and RoW are investing heavily in reducing emissions.
    But EU does not need to act responsibly, its not like they have an electorate to answer to.

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