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    Re: FCA Abruptly Withdraws Massive Merger Proposal With Renault

    Quote Originally Posted by CJH View Post
    It would be in the best interest of the French Govt (longterm) to get this deal done. I see this as mutually beneficial between Renault and Fiatsler, as they are strong not only in different segments, but also markets - there is a lot of synergy there.
    And as I understand it Renault is much stronger in the EV area which FCA is lacking. Nissan has the leaf though and am surprised FCA has not leveraged that more.

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    Re: FCA Abruptly Withdraws Massive Merger Proposal With Renault

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    Sounds like time for Renault to drop Nissan and replace it with FCA.









    Well, on a first pass, no, unless a bunch of other criteria can be met without them and even then.......better have a good margin.

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    Re: FCA Abruptly Withdraws Massive Merger Proposal With Renault

    Nothing buy good news for the US based FCA employees. They would have been screwed over in this deal with the Italian and French governments making sure that no "syngeries" would hut them at home and instead would all fall on the far easier to fire US FCA employees.

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    Re: FCA Abruptly Withdraws Massive Merger Proposal With Renault

    Quote Originally Posted by PastorChevyGuy View Post
    This won't bode well for FCA. Renault had the expertise in compact and midsize cars that FCA needs. FCA should go around Renault and go straight to Nissan.
    Disagree. Nissan has evaluated merging with FCA many times in the past and it concluded doesn't make sense for them. Further, if you think French gov't intervention has been bad at this point you have not opened your eyes to what can happen with the Japanese gov't.

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    Re: FCA Abruptly Withdraws Massive Merger Proposal With Renault

    I know what I would dangle out there...... including but not limited to....... a 'fresh reappraisal' of Peugeot / Citroen / Opel plus possibly 'xyz'.
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    Re: FCA Abruptly Withdraws Massive Merger Proposal With Renault

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    The United States should get involved to protect Americans
    Too late - that should have been done when Fiat bought Chrysler.

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    Re: FCA Abruptly Withdraws Massive Merger Proposal With Renault

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    Too late - that should have been done when Fiat bought Chrysler.
    They didn't need to. If that deal didn't go through all of the U.S. jobs would've been lost. Further, as you may have noticed, the combined entity FCA didn't close any plants in the U.S.

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    Re: FCA Abruptly Withdraws Massive Merger Proposal With Renault

    Quote Originally Posted by PastorChevyGuy View Post
    This won't bode well for FCA. Renault had the expertise in compact and midsize cars that FCA needs. FCA should go around Renault and go straight to Nissan.
    I disagree that the pullout will be bad for FCA, but I do agree that FCA should find a way to at least do some kind of partnership for EV platform(s) & tech. Nissan has much in the way of experience. A very, very small chance that one of the new independents could be a good partner (Rivian or others). Trying to partner for small car production would do nothing for FCA in North America. Plus, FCA brands (other than Jeep) won't get a push outside NA because of Fiat & Renault.
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    Re: FCA Abruptly Withdraws Massive Merger Proposal With Renault

    All I can say is good. Nobody except for 7 people here in the States want or even know what Renault is.

    As someone posted earlier Renault would just end up like Fiat (dead) and Chrysler/Ram/Jeep would end up with trash designs and financial hardships that Renault has saddled Nissan with.

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    Re: FCA Abruptly Withdraws Massive Merger Proposal With Renault

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Buttons View Post
    All I can say is good. Nobody except for 7 people here in the States want or even know what Renault is.

    As someone posted earlier Renault would just end up like Fiat (dead) and Chrysler/Ram/Jeep would end up with trash designs and financial hardships that Renault has saddled Nissan with.
    And if Renault hadn't invested in Nissan in the late 1990s, I wonder where Nissan would had been today?

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    Re: FCA Abruptly Withdraws Massive Merger Proposal With Renault

    Quote Originally Posted by Serpens View Post
    They didn't need to. If that deal didn't go through all of the U.S. jobs would've been lost. Further, as you may have noticed, the combined entity FCA didn't close any plants in the U.S.
    No, all US jobs wouldn't have been lost if Fiat didn't buy Chrysler--that was only Chrysler jobs. In fact, the US government should have gotten more involved in smarter ways when the rest of the world (beaten down by German/Japanese/Italian hegemony then Allied victory) finally caught up to the victorious "Western" countries from WWII.

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    Re: FCA Abruptly Withdraws Massive Merger Proposal With Renault

    The obvious partnership/merger here is Ford and FCA for countless reasons. That said, I think that there is zero chance of that happening mainly due to Ford, but still.....

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    Re: FCA Abruptly Withdraws Massive Merger Proposal With Renault

    Quote Originally Posted by SVT74 View Post
    The obvious partnership/merger here is Ford and FCA for countless reasons. That said, I think that there is zero chance of that happening mainly due to Ford, but still.....
    That would be insane on a good day.

    First thing to FoMos would do is demand ChryCo dump the Challenger, Charger, and 300. Then the Ram because dumping Ram would put a turbocharger on eFF-one-fitty sales. Then all the petty fiefdomes, golf buddies, and insider cliques that Mulally spent years clearing out, and that have now returned in force, would infest Chrysler/Fiat and cause more dysfunction.
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    Re: FCA Abruptly Withdraws Massive Merger Proposal With Renault

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    That would be insane on a good day.

    First thing to FoMos would do is demand ChryCo dump the Challenger, Charger, and 300. Then the Ram because dumping Ram would put a turbocharger on eFF-one-fitty sales. Then all the petty fiefdomes, golf buddies, and insider cliques that Mulally spent years clearing out, and that have now returned in force, would infest Chrysler/Fiat and cause more dysfunction.
    Ironically, Lee Iacocca once mentionned the idea of a Ford-Chrysler merger in his autobiography on page 275. https://books.google.ca/books?id=HnK...merger&f=false

    And who know John Elkann might clear all the insider cliques? It would be a mistake for FoMo to ask Chrysler to dump the 300 and Charger who could be a spiritual successor to the "Panther" Crown Vic/Grand Marquis. The Challenger could be the 'Stang companion like the first Mercury Cougar was. Ram could be the upscale truck to go against GMC while Ford go against Chevrolet.

    But it's doubful then the Ford board of directors read GMI.

    Edit: I saw a French article who speculated then if FCA check with different eyes PSA? https://www.lecho.be/entreprises/aut.../10133958.html

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    Re: FCA Abruptly Withdraws Massive Merger Proposal With Renault

    Quote Originally Posted by Stéphane Dumas View Post
    Ironically, Lee Iacocca once mentionned the idea of a Ford-Chrysler merger in his autobiography on page 275. https://books.google.ca/books?id=HnK...merger&f=false

    And who know John Elkann might clear all the insider cliques? It would be a mistake for FoMo to ask Chrysler to dump the 300 and Charger who could be a spiritual successor to the "Panther" Crown Vic/Grand Marquis. The Challenger could be the 'Stang companion like the first Mercury Cougar was. Ram could be the upscale truck to go against GMC while Ford go against Chevrolet.

    But it's doubful then the Ford board of directors read GMI.

    Edit: I saw a French article who speculated then if FCA check with different eyes PSA? https://www.lecho.be/entreprises/aut.../10133958.html
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