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    Another Tesla Autopilot Fatal

    If you want to depart this earthly plane quickly, here's one way to do it:

    A fatal crash that occurred earlier this year and involved a Tesla Model 3 on Autopilot and a truck is currently under investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB).

    They have now released their preliminary report.


    We reported on the accident when it first happened on March 1.

    A Model 3 on Autopilot crashed into the side of a trailer of a truck crossing the highway in Delray Beach, Palm Beach County, Florid

    The accident was reminiscent of the tragic death of 45-year-old Joshua Brown in a collision with a truck while using the Autopilot of his Tesla Model S in Florida back in May 2016.

    Neither Brown nor Autopilot managed to see the trailer of a truck crossing the highway and the car ended up going underneath the trailer and Autopilot kept driving another significant distance before coming to a stop.

    It sparked a federal investigation into Tesla’s Autopilot system and eventually, NHTSA closed its investigation without finding any defect or issuing any recall.

    Now, the NTSB is investigating this new accident in Florida and they released their preliminary report today.

    The agency described the accident in the report:

    “As the Tesla approached the private driveway, the combination vehicle pulled from the driveway and traveled east across the southbound lanes of US 441. The truck driver was trying to cross the highway’s southbound lanes and turn left into the northbound lanes. According to surveillance video in the area and forward-facing video from the Tesla, the combination vehicle slowed as it crossed the southbound lanes, blocking the Tesla’s path.

    The Tesla struck the left side of the semitrailer. The roof of the Tesla was sheared off as the vehicle underrode the semitrailer and continued south (figure 2). The Tesla came to a rest on the median, about 1,600 feet from where it struck the semitrailer. The 50-year-old male Tesla driver died as a result of the crash. The 45-year-old male driver of the combination vehicle was uninjured.”



    Based ont their preliminary findings, the NTSB said that they could determine that Autopilot was turned on just seconds before the crash:

    “Preliminary data from the vehicle show that the Tesla’s Autopilot system—an advanced driver assistance system (ADAS) that provides both longitudinal and lateral control over vehicle motion—was active at the time of the crash.1 The driver engaged the Autopilot about 10 seconds before the collision. From less than 8 seconds before the crash to the time of impact, the vehicle did not detect the driver’s hands on the steering wheel. Preliminary vehicle data show that the Tesla was traveling about 68 mph when it struck the semitrailer. Neither the preliminary data nor the videos indicate that the driver or the ADAS executed evasive maneuvers.”

    Here’s the full preliminary report:


    https://electrek.co/2019/05/16/tesla...minary-report/

    Probably had to take a call or make an important text. Half the people I see driving in Toledo are distracted by their devices. About 60% do not use turn signals.
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    Re: Another Tesla Autopilot Fatal

    Sooooo, in both cases the trucks crossing the highway did so illegally and the driver failed to take corrective action? Yikes.

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    Re: Another Tesla Autopilot Fatal

    Well, the truth is, a CT6 would not do it, it would refuse to hit the truck

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    Re: Another Tesla Autopilot Fatal

    And, no doubt, there are many more of these incidents yet to occur.

    Idiots to believe Tesla's autopilot is ready for primetime.
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    Re: Another Tesla Autopilot Fatal

    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    Sooooo, in both cases the trucks crossing the highway did so illegally and the driver failed to take corrective action? Yikes.
    In both cases the trucks crossing the highway did so illegally and the self driving system failed to take corrective action? Yikes

    Fixed it for you. And if the FAA got off its hind and shut down the 737 max after two identical failures, you'd think NHTSA might want to do the same. The 737 suspension has far more financial impact and they still suspended.

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    Re: Another Tesla Autopilot Fatal

    The driver engaged the Autopilot about 10 seconds before the collision. From less than 8 seconds before the crash to the time of impact, the vehicle did not detect the driver’s hands on the steering wheel. Preliminary vehicle data show that the Tesla was traveling about 68 mph when it struck the semitrailer. Neither the preliminary data nor the videos indicate that the driver or the ADAS executed evasive maneuvers.”
    . Who in their right mind engages auto pilot 10 seconds before something like this? Meaning you've got a semi crossing in front of you a ways up shouldn't the brakes be hit or get off autopilot be the better thing? I dunno this just to me stands out as weird almost like a death wish try it kind of a way.

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    Re: Another Tesla Autopilot Fatal

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    Well, the truth is, a CT6 would not do it, it would refuse to hit the truck
    I hope Super Cruise is that awesome when it gets out into the incompetent hands of Joe "I'm a dolt" Public. Nothing is by the book when the masses throw the book out the window.

    Mary's 0/0/0 future will start to look like 00ooppss/0h no/0h S**T!!
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    Re: Another Tesla Autopilot Fatal

    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    . Who in their right mind engages auto pilot 10 seconds before something like this? Meaning you've got a semi crossing in front of you a ways up shouldn't the brakes be hit or get off autopilot be the better thing? I dunno this just to me stands out as weird almost like a death wish try it kind of a way.
    Exactly, autopilot has nothing to do with this crash. The driver in a panic clearly didn’t know what to do to avoid the incident. If I’m not mistaken the stalk to engage autopilot is right next to the steering wheel.
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    Re: Another Tesla Autopilot Fatal

    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    . Who in their right mind engages auto pilot 10 seconds before something like this? Meaning you've got a semi crossing in front of you a ways up shouldn't the brakes be hit or get off autopilot be the better thing? I dunno this just to me stands out as weird almost like a death wish try it kind of a way.
    I suspect the driver probably engaged autopilot to look at their phone for a text or grab something. They expected autopilot to autopilot the car for the few moments they were distracted. Unfortunately, autopilot is not an autopilot and the driver's timing was very bad. Autopilot missed a large object, a semi truck and killed the driver. It amazes me the apologists for autopilot. I pray supercruise never does this because unlike Tesla, GM will get destroyed by even one incident. Destroyed.

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    Re: Another Tesla Autopilot Fatal

    This is a known issue, it doesn't matter how good your auto pilot programming is.... it can't dodge something that it can't see and those big white sides of a trailer is something that the sensors seem to struggle to pickup.

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    Re: Another Tesla Autopilot Fatal

    Quote Originally Posted by Cobaltss_King View Post
    Exactly, autopilot has nothing to do with this crash. The driver in a panic clearly didn’t know what to do to avoid the incident. If I’m not mistaken the stalk to engage autopilot is right next to the steering wheel.
    ummmm... pushing the brake pedal would have been a good start.

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    Re: Another Tesla Autopilot Fatal

    Quote Originally Posted by jzchev28 View Post
    ummmm... pushing the brake pedal would have been a good start.
    Getting flustered and panicky with no room to spare is/was probably the guy's undoing.

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    Re: Another Tesla Autopilot Fatal

    Quote Originally Posted by roadkillz View Post
    This is a known issue, it doesn't matter how good your auto pilot programming is.... it can't dodge something that it can't see and those big white sides of a trailer is something that the sensors seem to struggle to pickup.
    Camera's yes, Lidar no. But Musk does not think you need lidar. Of course since you cannot do a OTA update to add lidar, I'm not surprised.

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    Re: Another Tesla Autopilot Fatal

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    If you want to depart this earthly plane quickly, here's one way to do it:
    Couldn't Elon Musk just stick with his activities at SpaceX for that?
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    Re: Another Tesla Autopilot Fatal

    Quote Originally Posted by roadkillz View Post
    This is a known issue, it doesn't matter how good your auto pilot programming is.... it can't dodge something that it can't see and those big white sides of a trailer is something that the sensors seem to struggle to pickup.
    Wasn’t Musk trashing Ridar the other day? It’s used by all other active safety system safe for Tesla.

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