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    2020 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel Dethrones Chevrolet's Duramax Diesel with 480 LB-FT of Torque

    Ram fires back in the half-ton diesel truck wars with a revised 3.0-liter turbodiesel V-6.
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    Well that didn't take long. Less than three weeks after Chevrolet announced that its 420-lb-ft, 3.0-liter turbodiesel Duramax inline-six would finally see the light of day under the hood of the 2020 Silverado half-ton pickup, Ram has staged a torque coup d'état and retakes the throne with an updated version of its turbocharged 3.0-liter EcoDiesel V-6 rated at 480 lb-ft. Not only 14 percent more powerful, it now reaches full torque output at 1600 rpm, 400 rpm lower than the previous version. That means a max tow rating of 12,560 pounds when properly equipped. The Ford F-150 Power Stroke diesel is rated to tug 11,400 pounds, while the Silverado half-ton diesel is slated to earn a 9700-pound tow rating. Ram says the 2020 EcoDiesel will be in showrooms in the fourth quarter of 2019.

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    Re: 2020 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel Dethrones Chevrolet's Duramax Diesel with 480 LB-FT of To

    STOP THE PRESSES. Ram totally owns Silvy for having 4% more torque. 480 is qualitative awesomness while what's 460? Just on par with the 6.2L.

    Oh, uhh... the Chevy does have 7% MORE horsepower. WHICH TOTALLY DOESN'T COUNT.

    Especially since it's a consumer/commuter diesel designed for people getting out of a gasoline V8, where you expect decent top end and unloaded acceleration.

    Bu... buh. I can tow 12,500lbs with a 5000lb vehicle in a Ram. That's realistic. That's what 5000lb light duty pickups SHOULD be doing. Towing six tons. Except anyone with experience will tell you if you're doing over 9,000lbs, might as well 2500.

    So...

    Eye-roll x 6.66 quadrillion.
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    Re: 2020 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel Dethrones Chevrolet's Duramax Diesel with 480 LB-FT of To

    Quote Originally Posted by KingElv!s View Post
    STOP THE PRESSES. Ram totally owns Silvy for having 4% more torque. 480 is qualitative awesomness while what's 460? Just on par with the 6.2L.

    Oh, uhh... the Chevy does have 7% MORE horsepower. WHICH TOTALLY DOESN'T COUNT.

    Especially since it's a consumer/commuter diesel designed for people getting out of a gasoline V8, where you expect decent top end and unloaded acceleration.

    Bu... buh. I can tow 12,500lbs with a 5000lb vehicle in a Ram. That's realistic. That's what 5000lb light duty pickups SHOULD be doing. Towing six tons. Except anyone with experience will tell you if you're doing over 9,000lbs, might as well 2500.

    So...

    Eye-roll x 6.66 quadrillion.


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    Did you get this bent out of shape with the Chevy Max Tow package 1/2 ton towing similar numbers???? Just curious.

    And why are you so shocked? Ram hasn't released any numbers on their Ecodiesel, only that it was coming. Anyone who knows how the automotive world works would have suspected that this is because they weren't carrying the engine over as it was... and they weren't. They were working on the next generation and made it better. So now they have a better engine, with more power and can tow more... is that such a terrible thing? While Ford and GM are just now trying out their half ton diesels, Ram already had one generation and learned some lessons and improved upon it for their new one, so what? Are you really that surprised??? Should they have developed a new generation while keeping the same lower numbers????

    The first Ecodiesel was more gas miser than anything, tow rating was like 9k lbs or less. This is the next logical progression.

    And no... nobody should be towing right at the limit. But if you're towing 8k lbs, would you feel better doing so in a truck rated for 9k lbs, or 12,500 lbs????
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    Re: 2020 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel Dethrones Chevrolet's Duramax Diesel with 480 LB-FT of To

    The numbers are not the problem, the reliability of it is what's questionable.
    Pretty much everybody I know with that diesel has had issues with it, top spot being my next door neighbor - his truck burned to a crisp on the driveway after major warranty work done on the engine at 80.000 miles. They had some back and forth and he got a brand new truck, similar trim. He sold it and got a Sierra.
    He needed to get the driveway repaved, it was all melted.

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    Re: 2020 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel Dethrones Chevrolet's Duramax Diesel with 480 LB-FT of To

    Quote Originally Posted by canadian.bacon View Post
    The numbers are not the problem, the reliability of it is what's questionable.
    Pretty much everybody I know with that diesel has had issues with it, top spot being my next door neighbor - his truck burned to a crisp on the driveway after major warranty work done on the engine at 80.000 miles. They had some back and forth and he got a brand new truck, similar trim. He sold it and got a Sierra.
    He needed to get the driveway repaved, it was all melted.
    Which is why they're on a new generation of Ecodiesel. Someone had to take the risk and try out a diesel in a half ton, GM nor Ford did. Whenever you do something that hasn't been done (well, since the 70's anyways), there will be issues, which I'm sure Ram has learned and tested thoroughly, and reacted to on the new trucks. The good thing for GM and Ford is they can learn from Ram's risk and have a more problem free diesel I'd expect. If it weren't for Ram's bold move, there would likely be no half ton diesels on the market.
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    Re: 2020 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel Dethrones Chevrolet's Duramax Diesel with 480 LB-FT of To

    This is not a new engine, this is the VM motori 3.0 (in which also GM had a lot of interest), launched in 2011 and then redesigned in 2013. This is not made by Ram/FCA with zero expertise, VM motori has been around since the 70s.
    Maybe the European standards are much lower than North America, but I would not buy one. The headaches are simply no worth it for my driving.

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    Re: 2020 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel Dethrones Chevrolet's Duramax Diesel with 480 LB-FT of To

    Quote Originally Posted by canadian.bacon View Post
    This is not a new engine, this is the VM motori 3.0 (in which also GM had a lot of interest), launched in 2011 and then redesigned in 2013. This is not made by Ram/FCA with zero expertise, VM motori has been around since the 70s.
    Maybe the European standards are much lower than North America, but I would not buy one. The headaches are simply no worth it for my driving.
    Where did you see the technical specifications that say this is the same as the 2013??

    Are you going to be this harsh with the Baby Dura comes out?

    You're saying that your neighbor had issues AFTER getting work done. Don't you think that's probably because of the work rather than the engine?

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    Re: 2020 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel Dethrones Chevrolet's Duramax Diesel with 480 LB-FT of To

    Quote Originally Posted by canadian.bacon View Post
    This is not a new engine, this is the VM motori 3.0 (in which also GM had a lot of interest), launched in 2011 and then redesigned in 2013. This is not made by Ram/FCA with zero expertise, VM motori has been around since the 70s.
    Maybe the European standards are much lower than North America, but I would not buy one. The headaches are simply no worth it for my driving.
    From another source:
    "The 3.0-liter EcoDiesel V6 that will power the 2020 Ram 1500 is heavily revised and as a result, the company is calling it the third generation of the young engine."
    "Compared to the second generation EcoDiesel, the engine coming for the 2020 Ram 1500 includes a new water-cooled turbocharger with a variable geometry turbine, redesigned cylinder head intake ports, a revised exhaust gas recirculating system, a higher compression ratio (now 16.5 to 1), redesigned direct injection fuel nozzles, new lightweight aluminum pistons, a new two-piece oil sump system and a new dual vacuum pump system. These changes reduce NVH levels and improve efficiency, leading to a cleaner-running engine that just-so-happens to produce quite a bit more power than the previous iteration of the EcoDiesel."

    Sounds like they did a lot to me. Do you have insider knowledge about all the changes, and how they are NOT addressing the shortcomings of the previous engine?

    And it's real simple, if you don't want one, don't buy one, nobody's forcing you.

    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    You're saying that your neighbor had issues AFTER getting work done. Don't you think that's probably because of the work rather than the engine?
    Good catch, I'd more question the person who did the work.
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    Re: 2020 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel Dethrones Chevrolet's Duramax Diesel with 480 LB-FT of To

    The ecodiesel in the rams is very well know to have issues. I looked into it extensively before buying my 2nd Ram. Like the oil consumption in the 5.3

    The "work done" is the key phrase here. Major work done and always in the shop due to some issues with it. daily driver, no towing.

    Also:
    "In January 2011, VM Motori launched its brand new engine 3.0L V6 Variable Valve Timing A 630 DOHC With 241 hp (180 kW; 244 PS) and 550 N⋅m (410 lb⋅ft) of torque. Thanks to a collaboration with Fiat Powertrain Technologies, the engine features the latest FPT Common Rail Multijet2 technology for improved performance, fuel economy and NVH. In 2013, the engine was redesigned to comply with Euro5+ emissions standards.

    The first application of the A 630 DOHC was the 2011 Grand Cherokee. The same engine also powers the Ram 1500 and Jeep Grand Cherokee Eco-Diesel since 2014, and in lightly tuned form, the Maserati Ghibli III. The engine won several awards including Ward's 10 Best engines of 2014 during its first model year of production in the Jeep &Ram. And has gone on for an unprecedented diesel 'repeat' winning Ward's Top 10 List again in 2015 and 2016.[16][17][18]"

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    Re: 2020 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel Dethrones Chevrolet's Duramax Diesel with 480 LB-FT of To

    "issues"

    There will always be issues but it sounds like that FCA re-did probably 98% of the motor so I'd expect it to be even better. The fact you can get it in the Rebel is freaking amazing.

    If they get the FE improvement like they did the power their going to be a huge hit. Just check out fuelly. 22.4 MPG average for 2018 trucks. Silverado V6 gets 17.4 from reported users. 5.3 users are at 16.4. That's a hell of an improvement.

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    Re: 2020 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel Dethrones Chevrolet's Duramax Diesel with 480 LB-FT of To

    Quote Originally Posted by canadian.bacon View Post
    The ecodiesel in the rams is very well know to have issues. I looked into it extensively before buying my 2nd Ram. Like the oil consumption in the 5.3

    The "work done" is the key phrase here. Major work done and always in the shop due to some issues with it. daily driver, no towing.

    Also:
    "In January 2011, VM Motori launched its brand new engine 3.0L V6 Variable Valve Timing A 630 DOHC With 241 hp (180 kW; 244 PS) and 550 N⋅m (410 lb⋅ft) of torque. Thanks to a collaboration with Fiat Powertrain Technologies, the engine features the latest FPT Common Rail Multijet2 technology for improved performance, fuel economy and NVH. In 2013, the engine was redesigned to comply with Euro5+ emissions standards.

    The first application of the A 630 DOHC was the 2011 Grand Cherokee. The same engine also powers the Ram 1500 and Jeep Grand Cherokee Eco-Diesel since 2014, and in lightly tuned form, the Maserati Ghibli III. The engine won several awards including Ward's 10 Best engines of 2014 during its first model year of production in the Jeep &Ram. And has gone on for an unprecedented diesel 'repeat' winning Ward's Top 10 List again in 2015 and 2016.[16][17][18]"
    Arrrrgghhhh, I feel like I'm running in circles here.

    Yes, the 2nd gen Ecodiesel was known to have problems. I'm NOT disputing that. Tell me what knowledge you have of the 3rd generation of this engine NOT fixing those known issues? The news of it just came out yesterday, but you have insider knowledge that it's got problems already? Are they not allowed to improve and have their "lessons learned"? Isn't that why they have an R&D department, to "research" problems and why they exist, and then "develop" a solution?

    And thanks for the history lesson... not sure how it applies to the 3rd gen Ecodiesel though.......
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    You seem to be quite arrogant. There is no history lesson, it's just what the engine is. All I did was to post on the current generation issues. This is the 3rd one and given FCAs history of not fixing any of their issues, the trend might as well continue. How about your lifters, have you seen how many 2011/2012 are popping up ? How about the manifolds, ready for a new set of bolts for a few hundred $$$?
    Tell me what knowledge YOU have about the new generation that they fixed already?
    I drive a Hemi as well since Chevy dropped the ball with the new gen, but this doesn't make me act like I am better than everybody else here. You seem quite aggressive against other members here too. Stop being a prick, this is the internet.
    Time will tell how reliable the new one is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canadian.bacon View Post
    You seem to be quite arrogant. There is no history lesson, it's just what the engine is. All I did was to post on the current generation issues. This is the 3rd one and given FCAs history of not fixing any of their issues, the trend might as well continue. How about your lifters, have you seen how many 2011/2012 are popping up ? How about the manifolds, ready for a new set of bolts for a few hundred $$$?
    Tell me what knowledge YOU have about the new generation that they fixed already?
    I drive a Hemi as well since Chevy dropped the ball with the new gen, but this doesn't make me act like I am better than everybody else here. You seem quite aggressive against other members here too. Stop being a prick, this is the internet.
    Time will tell how reliable the new one is.
    Arrogant? Because I want you to explain why you're insistent that the just revealed Ecodiesel is a failure before anyone gets to drive it? So you're just outright making assumptions. Got it.

    So brands are not allowed to better themselves with you? 10-15 years ago Ram was not a major player in the truck world. Transmissions kinda sucked, interiors did too. Now they've got the best transmissions and interiors on the market, and make a damned good truck overall. Good to know the GM trucks are flawless and have zero issues like driveline vibrations, transmission problems, AFM oil consumption/cam issues (know of 2 people who lost their GM engines b/c of that). I knew about the manifold bolts and cam. Had my bolts replaced last week actually, cost me $0. That's ZERO dollars. That's why I buy a vehicle with a WARRANTY. Vehicles are not perfect, so you have to pick the one you like best, and the one you have the most confidence in, and go with it. Oh, and I have a lifetime warranty with my Ram, so I have absolutely no worries, at all.

    I don't know that the new gen is fixed, just like you don't know that it isn't fixed. I'm just not a glass half empty guy like you are I guess, I prefer to think that companies can fix their problems. Just like I hope GM is working on a Silverado I can see myself in sometime in the future.

    And time will tell about how reliable it is. Why couldn't you offer the benefit of the doubt up front instead of calling it a mechanical failure before knowing anything about it? I'm sure they redesigned most of the engine just because... I'm sure they didn't try to fix any of the Gen II problems...

    I just want to know how "I think I'm better than everyone else" because I want to know why are so negative on something you didn't know existed 48 hours ago?
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    Re: 2020 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel Dethrones Chevrolet's Duramax Diesel with 480 LB-FT of To

    Yeah a buddy of mine who buys wholesale says to stay the hell away from the last generation EcoDiesel which was very problematic. We had one at the dealership with 80k miles and it came back several times for different problems. I'm pretty sure they wished they had wholesaled the thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryannel2003 View Post
    Yeah a buddy of mine who buys wholesale says to stay the hell away from the last generation EcoDiesel which was very problematic. We had one at the dealership with 80k miles and it came back several times for different problems. I'm pretty sure they wished they had wholesaled the thing.
    Yep, that coupled with the relatively low tow rating meant I didn't have any interest in the last Ecodiesel. Now with the high tow rating, I'll be watching this one a lot more closely and hoping for the best. If all the bugs are worked out, should be a killer combination.
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