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    The most unattractive automobile in it's class.

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    Re: 2012 Toyota Camry - Media First Drive Reviews

    Quote Originally Posted by A Bum In A Bus View Post
    The most unattractive automobile in it's class.
    I would have said the most FUGLY car out there, but you said it a lot more eloquently.

    In this day and age with most automakers battling it out style-wise, Toyota just doesn't get it. What a FUGLY car! Much worse than the model it replaces!
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    My wife owns a 2006 Corolla and is a Toyota fan, but when I showed her this car she said it made her throw up a little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hunchman View Post
    They'll sell a ton of these............food for thought........I have a friend who operates a major transmission shop. In his 12 years he has never had to rebuild an automatic tranny on a camry. I'm not sure if any other midsize car can claim that .
    I have heard the exact opposite from my friend who runs an import garage here in the D.C. area. He called the toyota transmission junk. He told me that is the second most transmission that he rebuilds.

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    Re: 2012 Toyota Camry - Media First Drive Reviews

    For some reason, the interior looks a little truck like to me. I think it might be because everything is so square and blockey looking. This isn't bad looking but it's harldy a big change. This is more like a serious refresh the the Ford Edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supraracer View Post
    I have heard the exact opposite from my friend who runs an import garage here in the D.C. area. He called the toyota transmission junk. He told me that is the second most transmission that he rebuilds.
    I can confirm that the company car I had, an '08 Camry , had transmission issues too. When I got rid of it, the mechanic who handles our fleet told me he was expecting to rebuild mine, if I had to drive it for another month or two.

    That car wasn't anything close to they hype.

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    Re: 2012 Toyota Camry - Media First Drive Reviews

    Well, the interior definitely looks better than the old Camry, close to if not right up there with Ford's, GM's, and Hyundai's. However, that exterior look doesn't really impress much. It looks like they ripped the front end design off of a Honda and twisted it around a bit. Now if they were to make it anything like the FT-86, it would've been more impressive.

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    Re: 2012 Toyota Camry - Media First Drive Reviews

    For the record, Im one of the biggest toyota haters out there ... I cant believe Im saying this, but bravo toyota for not dropping the V6.
    Damn your decision GM

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    This car is hard on the eye, overpriced when you add the options in and its hard on the eye.
    GM not putting a V6 on the Regal and Malibu is smart. The new 2.0 Turbo puts out 250HP or more depending on the tune thats plenty. Look at the Regal GS 295ft lbs of torque.
    The e- assist option will sell more units than any V6 would.
    Did I say hard on the eye.

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    Re: 2012 Toyota Camry - Media First Drive Reviews

    Quote Originally Posted by gmlr View Post
    This car is hard on the eye, overpriced when you add the options in and its hard on the eye.
    GM not putting a V6 on the Regal and Malibu is smart. The new 2.0 Turbo puts out 250HP or more depending on the tune thats plenty. Look at the Regal GS 295ft lbs of torque.
    The e- assist option will sell more units than any V6 would.
    Did I say hard on the eye.
    Oh, you've seen what this car costs with options?

    As for the 2.0T being "smart" in the current Epsilon II Regal, consider the fact that the Regal Turbo is dramatically slower and gets WORSE gas mileage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylark68 View Post
    I have a hard time believing that 90% of the past 15 model year Camry's are still on the road.
    Does that mean the remaining 10% made it home?
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    Quote Originally Posted by supraracer View Post
    I have heard the exact opposite from my friend who runs an import garage here in the D.C. area. He called the toyota transmission junk. He told me that is the second most transmission that he rebuilds.
    My neighbors "family" Camry's transmission went out on their vacation, they spent two days waiting for it to be fixed. When they returned "with the transmission stinking," they traded cars, bought a dealer CTS, and could not be happier.

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    This proves my point about vehicle weights, one if they stop trying to make cars much bigger every generation and two if they actually make an effort to drop weight this is what happens.

    Instead often they make little to no effort on the weight savings side of things and the cars grow by a good amount.

    For the Cruze Eco they were able to drop 200 pounds out of that car, the C6 was lighter then the C5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylark68 View Post
    I have a hard time believing that 90% of the past 15 model year Camry's are still on the road.
    "Even more eye-widening is Toyota's claim that of the Camry models built and sold over the last 15 years, 90 percent are still happily enduring a daily commute on nearly every corner of the planet. By sheer volume and longevity, the Camry is nothing short of an engineering and manufacturing wonder."

    Toyota uses a 2004 RL Polk study of registrations in AZ, NM, and parts of CA to make this claim. The sample was every third model year of cars manufactured from 7 to 15 years before. The survey was lightly updated in 2006 with some additional sample data. It was a paid project meant to fit to a curve that Toyota felt the results would benefit them.

    2953 Analytics looked at this survey for the CA AG's office and found the sample size, the location of the sample population, and the sample precision to not yield results consistent with the advertising claims being applied to the full population of vehicles. The CA AG issued a cease and desist order to Toyota who then moved the ads to their dealer group agencies to get around this little problem. The CA AG caught on and issued the order to the dealer group agency for CA. it hasn't stopped the other regional dealer groups from running the statisticly incorrect ads.

    2953 Analytics and AutoPacifica both study model registrations and in their paid databases both find Toyota cars and trucks (including Lexus and Scion) to not stand out in longevity. The best longevity for models over 5 years and up to 15 years old is the Ford F-150 at 68% and the best car model run is the 1997 to 2003 Malibu at 64%. The Accord beats the Camry too with 63% longevity to the Camry's 58%. The Altima splits the two at 61%. The 1991 to 1999 Ford Escort models tie the Accord at 63%. I'm sure you could polk (pun intended) to their numbers, but the sample is more broad and within accepted standards for population extrapolation compared to RL Polk.
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    Re: 2012 Toyota Camry - Media First Drive Reviews

    Quote Originally Posted by Darc Requiem View Post
    Toyota is still offering V6 in the Camry. It will be interesting to see how that plays out. Most of competing models are ditching V6s for turbo 4s.
    You can bet Honda will still offer a V6 on the Accord. And with a true manual transmission on the coupe V6.

    There are some car companies that understand their target market, others who may not. GM may be taking a serious gamble not offering a V6 on the new Malibu.

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