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    Re: What if GM still had a John Z. DeLorean?

    He'd be 94 years old.........
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    Re: What if GM still had a John Z. DeLorean?

    Quote Originally Posted by Engelman View Post
    He'd be 94 years old.........
    That's why the thread is titled "What if GM still had a John Z. DeLorean" and not "What if GM still had John Z. DeLorean." Sometimes the smallest words in a sentence carry the most significance...
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    Re: What if GM still had a John Z. DeLorean?

    Quote Originally Posted by Z284ever View Post
    Is there no demand because the products aren't there to spark desire or are there no products which spark desire because there is no demand?
    I think there is LITTLE DEMAND partly because the price of EVERYTHING is so high NOT just CARS but education / RENT utilities ETC that people have LITTLE "discretionary" cash
    and add in the "environment" people drive in now days - USA is WAY more urban than it ever was and traffic is worse not to mention the CONDITION of most roads

    taking a "wider" picture I think the INTEREST is still there with young people - just look to the DIESEL "brodozer" pickups OR the "drift" scene both strong in the young MALE demographic
    go on facebook and look up various "car clubs"

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    Re: What if GM still had a John Z. DeLorean?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1999 White C5 Coupe View Post
    Times change - and so do products and consumer desires, wants and needs. I’m often amazed at the number of posts regarding, “the good old days” - and how things would be better now if we returned to the past. Not going to happen.
    I agree with your first sentence. The second, not so much. I'm not amazed at all that some yearn for the good old days. Defining what they were is where opinions diverge. There was always an appeal (to me) from full size sedans with full size big blocks from the mid to late 1960s. Haul four or five people with you and still appreciate the response when you buried the gas pedal. Not enough appeal to make me actually buy one though.

    I have always preferred smaller, sportier cars with a minimum of superfluous options and government mandated features. I was more than happy with manual transmissions (actually faster acceleration back then) manual window cranks, manual seat adjusters, non-power steering, manual choke, and believe it or not, no air conditioning. Such vehicles were the epitome of simplicity and light weight. Have a problem? Well, check fuel, spark and compression and you were back on the road.

    Were they superior to modern vehicles? Of course not. Handling, braking, and safety were more of an art than a science in the 60s and 70s. So what's the draw? To me at least, styling and dare I say it? Soul. No, not Neanderthal's car. An intangible feeling of connection to pure, unpretentious simplicity. This is also the reason I've always preferred Chevrolets over other GM brands. Clean styling and no extra clutter. That all began to change in the early to mid 70s. I got to live through the dark era of government mandated bumpers, lower power, and horrific emissions systems that took the fun out of driving.

    Fortunately, things began to get better performance wise in the mid 80s and is now at it's pinnacle. Styling? Better, but I don't believe it's possible to reach what was I consider the height of design. Back in the good old days.

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    Yes. And the trend is the trend, what's in is what's in and I don't think even a DeLorean could change that a lot. But a lot of these utes handle pretty well, as well as or better than the sedans of yore. The number of performance drivers has never been a high percentage, at least probably since the late '70s, so you're not going to sell "excitement." You're going to sell utility with very decent to excellent performance.

    I have a fun exciting car. You don't need two doors and 20" high seats to make excitement.
    The trend is indeed what it is. No doubt about that. However, I still can't get excited by CUVs. A lot of them perform very well given their constraints but I still believe their main attribute is utility. Everyone and their brother, and my wife, has a crossover so I simply don't need (or want) one. Do I need a Camaro? No. Do I want one?

    Perfomance is partly perspective. I'm sure a new Camry would embarrass my past 1967 and 72 Camaros. Probably would win out over my 88 IROC too although that would be a lot tougher fight. But then would a 1967 Camry do as well? I think not, and it wouldn't matter anyway. It's all relative.

    Thing about that low ride height. A go kart feels much faster doing 60 mph than a full size pickup. Perception. I don't need four doors since the rear seat will never be used. Except perhaps to hide a nitrous bottle.

    I like low semi little cars that look the part. I just can't help it.
    It sounded pretty good until I actually said it.

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    Re: What if GM still had a John Z. DeLorean?

    IF GM still had a DeLorean we'd have SUV'S and CUV'S with his passion and what he stood for I guess, along with the greats like the new Corvette... maybe.

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    Re: What if GM still had a John Z. DeLorean?

    Cars are increasingly falling out of pop culture favor, especially with millennials.. Simply put, they just don't care.. Those cars weren't relevant to their lives. They didn't grow up with interesting cars, and the Accords, Camry's and Mitsubishi Eclipses they did grow up with simply didn't inspire much passion, at least not compared to the stunningly styled fire breathing iron from Detroit we had from 1950s and 1960s.. They're more interested in the latest iPhone than any automobile, and as a result, car museums are going the way of the dodo bird.

    Guys like John Z and Bob Lutz probably have no place in todays automobile manufacturer executive suites.
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    Re: What if GM still had a John Z. DeLorean?

    Quote Originally Posted by bmwboy2007 View Post
    Cars are increasingly falling out of pop culture favor, especially with millennials.. Simply put, they just don't care.. Those cars weren't relevant to their lives. They didn't grow up with interesting cars, and the Accords, Camry's and Mitsubishi Eclipses they did grow up with simply didn't inspire much passion, at least not compared to the stunningly styled fire breathing iron from Detroit we had from 1950s and 1960s.. They're more interested in the latest iPhone than any automobile, and as a result, car museums are going the way of the dodo bird.

    Guys like John Z and Bob Lutz probably have no place in todays automobile manufacturer executive suites.
    It will be interesting to see what the collector car market is like in 20 years! Will the bottom fall out?
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    Re: What if GM still had a John Z. DeLorean?

    Quote Originally Posted by rockyspaw View Post
    It will be interesting to see what the collector car market is like in 20 years! Will the bottom fall out?
    Or even farther into time. Will they be after these SUV's and things? I think not. Unless it is for the dream vehicle niche products by Porsche and such.

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    Re: What if GM still had a John Z. DeLorean?

    Quote Originally Posted by Z Fury View Post
    That's why the thread is titled "What if GM still had a John Z. DeLorean" and not "What if GM still had John Z. DeLorean." Sometimes the smallest words in a sentence carry the most significance...
    I know, I got it. I was just trying to add a little levity to the thread....and at my age............
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    Re: What if GM still had a John Z. DeLorean?

    What isn't surprising is that most of the buyers want a V8 - some of these trucks are so loaded down with equipment/parts that a lesser engine probably can barely move them.

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