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    Re: We believe in an all-electric future, here’s what we’re doing today to get there

    Quote Originally Posted by goblue View Post
    This is just not true. Many of us make more than enough power off photocells to charge the car, and other uses. As the battery costs drop, solar will become viable without meaningful use from the grid for residential in many parts of the country. Solar and batteries are recyclable. A Tesla can change at 1,000 miles range per hour. Yes, 15 min for 250.

    Well, its all academic anyway. Human drivers will be banned on the freeways within 10 years, and personal car ownership will start to plummet in 5-10 years. The reasons are traffic (computer drivers can fit more cars in the same space, that's well proven) and liability costs. Computers don't drink and text. Insurance costs will skyrocket for human drivers. Also, cars spend most of their time parked, its horribly inefficient.
    -A Level 5 car is decades away if ever.
    -Banning anything is a political hot potato.
    - Personal car ownership will never end- people want their own things.
    - Many of our assets spend most of the time not being used- cottages, boats, clothing, TVs, lawnmowers, etc. I do not see people looking to "share" those items.

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    Re: We believe in an all-electric future, here’s what we’re doing today to get there

    There are so many potential problems here it’s difficult to know where to start. First, the move to BEV’s is a largely government and lobby engineered move with an eggshell skull. It’s a widely unpopular move in the American breadbasket, which is dangerously underrepresented in polls as we saw in 2016, and it requires the very high level of global government intervention it continues to receive because it still cannot survive in a market driven economy without major external manipulation.

    The BEV economy so many are mindlessly pushing for has ‘bad idea’ written all over it and is, to date, the benefactor of the biggest propaganda campaign the world has ever seen, which should frighten people in and of itself. Hopefully, the entire concept ends up in the waste-bin of history where it belongs. If not, we will all likely regret it.

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    Re: We believe in an all-electric future, here’s what we’re doing today to get there

    Quote Originally Posted by goblue View Post
    This is just not true. Many of us make more than enough power off photocells to charge the car, and other uses. As the battery costs drop, solar will become viable without meaningful use from the grid for residential in many parts of the country. Solar and batteries are recyclable. A Tesla can change at 1,000 miles range per hour. Yes, 15 min for 250.

    Well, its all academic anyway. Human drivers will be banned on the freeways within 10 years, and personal car ownership will start to plummet in 5-10 years. The reasons are traffic (computer drivers can fit more cars in the same space, that's well proven) and liability costs. Computers don't drink and text. Insurance costs will skyrocket for human drivers. Also, cars spend most of their time parked, its horribly inefficient.
    Not to be contrary, but au contraire! SOME of us MAY have enough spare solar juice to charge a car but I'm guessing most don't. Also, don't solar panels work best in the daytime when the sun is out and the clouds aren't? Unfortunately, that also seems to be the time when a lot of people are driving their vehicles. They just might have to charge at night from the power grid. Hey, how about mounting solar panels on car roofs......

    I'm also skeptical about battery costs dropping while demand is skyrocketing. Isn't that backwards from how things usually play out?

    I semi agree with some of your second paragraph. Lol. Banned in 10 years? No. Car ownership will trend downward but not plummet IMHO. Computers will indeed be less prone to accidents but they will still happen. It's inevitable. When they do, there will be countless slavering injury lawyers fighting to represent the victims. A cold, bloodless Skynet machine ran down your child in a school zone? Guilty. 10 million dollars in liabilty plus another 10 million in pain and suffering.

    Finally, my wife spends most of her time parked too but I'm not going to share her. Maybe I'm just selfish though. Don't plan on sharing my house (always parked) or my car (mostly parked but always waitng to do my bidding) either. I will admit that our fearless leaders will try to implement at least some of the measures you mentioned. I see a tremendous backlash when it happens. A politician's worst nightmare? Getting voted out of office. This would be an ideal way to suffer such a fate.
    It sounded pretty good until I actually said it.

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    Re: We believe in an all-electric future, here’s what we’re doing today to get there

    All Of that is fine. Better than fine, it great. Now that the vehicle has projected, I have but one question, Where is the Recharge capability ? Even if we were able to install 220 Volt recharge facility at almost every gas station. But even that is mute, without a huge injection to our "Infrastructure" Electric generation still is such a huge impediment that no matter how a new Bolt or anything else are just head in thew clouds thinking. Back at the turn of the 20th century, a automobile was too, at the mercy of being able to refill the gas tank. Refining oil into gasoline was on the rise. But that was installing a tank into the ground or on the property. That was a task, but a manageable one, considering it was 1910. But now fast forward to 2019. The same task has changed, this refilling station needs to be connected to a grid , a high capacity grid. Now tell me where is that "Grid" today. We don't even own the property in which to build a Grid. And looking to our president or our government is like looking into a pond. Or maybe a "tweet" can clear up the issue.

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    Re: We believe in an all-electric future, here’s what we’re doing today to get there

    Quote Originally Posted by JTWard1951 View Post
    All Of that is fine. Better than fine, it great. Now that the vehicle has projected, I have but one question, Where is the Recharge capability ? Even if we were able to install 220 Volt recharge facility at almost every gas station. But even that is mute, without a huge injection to our "Infrastructure" Electric generation still is such a huge impediment that no matter how a new Bolt or anything else are just head in thew clouds thinking. Back at the turn of the 20th century, a automobile was too, at the mercy of being able to refill the gas tank. Refining oil into gasoline was on the rise. But that was installing a tank into the ground or on the property. That was a task, but a manageable one, considering it was 1910. But now fast forward to 2019. The same task has changed, this refilling station needs to be connected to a grid , a high capacity grid. Now tell me where is that "Grid" today. We don't even own the property in which to build a Grid. And looking to our president or our government is like looking into a pond. Or maybe a "tweet" can clear up the issue.
    Don't just go there and call it a day. The other party and both entities are just as bad and have no clue whatsoever.

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    Re: We believe in an all-electric future, here’s what we’re doing today to get there

    Quote Originally Posted by JTWard1951 View Post
    All Of that is fine. Better than fine, it great. Now that the vehicle has projected, I have but one question, Where is the Recharge capability ? Even if we were able to install 220 Volt recharge facility at almost every gas station. But even that is mute, without a huge injection to our "Infrastructure" Electric generation still is such a huge impediment that no matter how a new Bolt or anything else are just head in thew clouds thinking. Back at the turn of the 20th century, a automobile was too, at the mercy of being able to refill the gas tank. Refining oil into gasoline was on the rise. But that was installing a tank into the ground or on the property. That was a task, but a manageable one, considering it was 1910. But now fast forward to 2019. The same task has changed, this refilling station needs to be connected to a grid , a high capacity grid. Now tell me where is that "Grid" today. We don't even own the property in which to build a Grid. And looking to our president or our government is like looking into a pond. Or maybe a "tweet" can clear up the issue.
    Easy; windmills, lots of windmills!

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    Re: We believe in an all-electric future, here’s what we’re doing today to get there

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    Easy; windmills, lots of windmills!

    Bird killer! And don't mention hydroelectric either. Fish have feelings too.
    It sounded pretty good until I actually said it.

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    Bird killer! And don't mention hydroelectric either. Fish have feelings too.
    Not to mention it's also quite the eyesore .

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    Not to mention it's also quite the eyesore .
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    And an earsore, from what I hear.
    If... We read between the lines one might also think your sunny cave in Transylvania is near it and you can hear them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    If... We read between the lines one might also think your sunny cave in Transylvania is near it and you can hear them.
    Wind, huh? And.....if it's predominantly sunny, odds are it's facing south. Also, how many states have 'sylvania' in their spelling? Conjecture tells me that he lives in Wind Cave near Pequea, Pa.

    Sorry for blowing your cover, Neanderthal.
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