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    Re: Pontiac, killed 10 years ago today

    Quote Originally Posted by ryannel2003 View Post

    For the love of God PLEASE stop comparing the ancient, unsafe and outdated Panther platform to LX. FCA has updated the chassis twice and it's still modern enough to carry all the latest tech and safety features unlike the original Epsilon which wasn't design for built in Navigation or the W-Body which never drove that well to begin with. You're reaching sweetie.
    You know, what's interesting about vehicle platforms is that they're a lot like personal computers.

    A PC from the last 4-7 years can still get the job done quite nicely but back in the 90s a computer was good for just 6-12 months before it was obsolete.

    Tech has matured to a point where major updates are less necessary than before and the LX is currently in its sweet spot.
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    Re: Pontiac, killed 10 years ago today

    I'm definitely anxiously awaiting the next gen Chargers and Challengers though, it's starting to approach the end of keeping excitement alive. Chally is down 25% April 2019, 4,422 from 5,892, understandably so. FCA has been impressive in trickling down lessons learned during a product life cycle, I'm hoping they apply this same hotrodder type philosophy in the next generation while keeping their good stylists. If that's the case, I can nearly guarantee I'll be a next gen Challenger owner.

    And looks like FCA is going to quarterly reporting now too unfortunately.
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    Re: Pontiac, killed 10 years ago today

    Quote Originally Posted by fastrehotrods View Post
    I'm definitely anxiously awaiting the next gen Chargers and Challengers though, it's starting to approach the end of keeping excitement alive. Chally is down 25% April 2019, 4,422 from 5,892, understandably so. FCA has been impressive in trickling down lessons learned during a product life cycle, I'm hoping they apply this same hotrodder type philosophy in the next generation while keeping their good stylists. If that's the case, I can nearly guarantee I'll be a next gen Challenger owner.

    And looks like FCA is going to quarterly reporting now too unfortunately.
    The original plan was to switch to an Alfa chassis but from what I'm hearing now it's going to be a heavily reworked LX chassis that will drop the 3.6 and 5.7 for the 2.0 Hurricane turbo 4 and the new Inline-6 that's also going into the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer.

    Either way it's going to come no earlier than 2022 as they won't introduce a Widebody Charger for a single model year.
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    Re: Pontiac, killed 10 years ago today

    Quote Originally Posted by ryannel2003 View Post
    The original plan was to switch to an Alfa chassis but from what I'm hearing now it's going to be a heavily reworked LX chassis that will drop the 3.6 and 5.7 for the 2.0 Hurricane turbo 4 and the new Inline-6 that's also going into the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer.
    I guess another revision of the LX/LY chassis is fine as long as it meets the goals of the ride/handling, power/performance, & FE departments (& various others). Plus it will save money on R&D, which might be the driving force behind refining the current chassis over adapting it to the Guilia chassis. Side note, Allpar has said that FCA is testing the I6 with a turbo on it.
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    Re: Pontiac, killed 10 years ago today

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    Pontiac shouldn't have been a full line automaker during this period...GM was hemorrhaging money, all they were becoming were Chevrolets w/ red gauges and vertical split grilles and some of the ugliest seats I've ever seen. That was a time for GM to consolidate and focus brands, leave Chevrolet/Cadillac to be full line automakers and use PBG to fill in the middle w/ niche vehicles to add in performance (Pontiac), near luxury (Buick), & whatever the hell w/ GMC.

    Pontiac would still be alive today had they just pared down and focused on the Solstice, Grand Prix (a named G8), and maybe the G6 Coupe, and sold in a dealership integrated w/ Buick and GMC.
    To answer your question, bad product and exectution killed Pontiac. And remember, at one time GM had over 60% of the domestic market. Pontiac being a full line automaker makes sense that context. Too many see Pontiac near the end of its life as a niche "sports" line, and frankly looking at today CUV crazed market, Pontiac would not have survived in that guise either, even part of B-GMC dealerships.

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