I wish they all could be California squirrels!
Past Rides: 2003 Grand Am GT1 (saved me), 1995 Bonneville SLE (RIP), 1986 635 CSi, 1984 Estate Wagon, 1978 Malibu Classic, 1978 Corvette, 1975 Vega Kammback (Miss ya'), 1971 Dodge Dart Swinger (STFU...it got me there!)
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2018 Hot Wheels 2SS Camaro Conv ~ 2016 2LT Corvette 7spd ~ 2017 Camaro RS V6 6spd ~ 2014 Chevy Volt ~ 2009 Pontiac G8 GT ~ 2002 Firebird Formula 6spd
The engine was longitudinal, not transverse, all ready for flexy-design. I had an Intrepid and three Concordes, my wife had an Intrepid that replaced her battered and bruised Lumina.
I wish Chrysler had kept the LH cars when they started making the LX, I realize that's sacrilege but I think two full-size cars would have served them better than the less-than-excellent Sebring and its Dodge sibling.
Listen I loved Pontiac just as much as the next guy in fact I grew up in a 6000 one of the best family cars we ever owned but the times change and GM was smart to pull the plug I agree with mbukukanyau look at Dodge now if GM kept Pontiac around same thing it would have had a long slow death just like Dodge.
While GM a customer continuously for 49 years, my wife and I bought a 1996 Dodge Intrepid ES and later, a 1998 Dodge Intrepid ES. The 1996 model replaced a 1990 Chevrolet Lumina Euro 4-door. The engine and transmission were replaced under warranty on the Euro, and the rear brakes repeatedly had to be service due to freezing brake calipers.
The 1998 Intrepid was one of the best cars I have ever owned. Very roomy, very comfortable, very easy to drive - and a very good engine (3.2L V-e6).
Tired of everyone stating Pontiac died because it shared parts. Hello! That was the way the manufacturing sector was going, sharing platform and motors. It's so common place today no one thinks about, but its what killed Pontiac? Please...........Come up with another excuse.
She replaced her Lumina with a purple Intrepid and loved it. Replaced it unfortunately with her middle aged crazy car a '99 Sebring LXi IIRC. Rutt roe! That car was NOT an Intrepid or Concorde, it developed all sorts of issues including a sun roof that opened by itself on the interstate in the summer and no way to get it down. The seats hurt her back, there were numerous issues. One reason I say Chrysler should have kept the LH cars along with the LX, the Sebring and its Dodge cousin were not nearly as reliable as the big cars.
What's that all got to do with the Pontiac Died thread? Just that customers come back when they get cars they like, and they're treated halfway humanely by the dealerships.
When I shopped Chevys in the '90s, and I shopped lots of dealerships, the Chevy dealers were the absolute worst. Just dumb as low-IQ rocks and as useless as a government bureaucrat.
Every sales guy was a grey half-dead 50-year-old home boy who wanted sticker price--"Hey, that's the price on the window, right?"-- and didn't know anything about anything other than perhaps what brand of gum he was chewing, or want to talk about anything.
I don't know if one of those idiots could have GIVEN me a car, they were such schlubs. My Chrysler-Dodge guy was super cool, always on top of his game.
That is how you move metal.
IMHO the G8 was an awesome car BUT was NOT an AWESOME PONTIAC and would have made a Chevrolet Lumina OR a SWB Caprice
I always felt the PONCHO nose was more "styled" then the rest of the car and the "milder" HOLDEN version looked better on the car
IMHO the BIG ISSUE is the LOSS of "soul" OR "passion" every modern GM creation is IMHO "good enough" OR "meets the spreadsheet"
FCA "gets it" better they make models that appear to be designed / released because someone PUSHED for it
I still think GM needs to get down to Chevy, Cadillac, and GMC. GMC should develop a new rugged utility persona to take on Jeep and Ford while Cadillac and Chevy can easily absorb any remaining Buick crossover customers. Buick can continue to prosper in China. But I imagine it's probably cheaper to just reduce Buick to two or three utilities while GMC carries the load.
But can you imagine GM trying to make Pontiac, Saturn, or Oldsmobile work today? That would be a nearly impossible challenge, especially now.
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Chevrolet can probably pickup lost customers on Buick's low end via injecting some style into their CUVs...and Cadillac can continue to do what they're doing chasing down market volume. All of this should've really happened back when GM shuttered Pontiac/Saturn/Hummer.
They'll be able to retain some of the GMC/Buick customers by having a "sorry I cratered your resale" incentive on trade ins for Chevys & Cadillacs.
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