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    I said it's a bummer. I'm really into rowing my own for my fun cars for the engagement factor, even if it's slower.

    Realistically I'm not in a position to be buying a new Corvette regardless with my wife and I just starting our family, but it definitely makes the C8 less appealing to me.

    I'd certainly be willing to give it a chance and see if the rest of the benefits outweigh it and I would love with it, but I typically get bored with shifting automated transmissions manually after the novelty wears off, so I'm not sure how it would be with a very good DCT.

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    Very true. Not only that, with technology today, more systems in a car aren't mechanical anymore. I remember being wary of buying my GTO since it was the first year for the drive-by-wire throttle system. I saw a small handful of people report problems, but I didn't & neither did a majority of LS2 owners. And Mercedes uses brake-by-wire & we aren't hearing about crashes being an epidemic. I suppose one major benefit of the DCT is for those who want to take their C8 bracket style drag racing. Automatics are more consistent & if you want to shift your gears, you won't miss a shift. <img src="https://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/images/smilies/drive.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Driving" class="inlineimg" />
    GM had been doing drive by wire on the Corvette's LS1 since 1997, so moving to it on the LS2 GTOs should have been low risk. That said, my friend did have issues with the TB actuator on his 2000 C5.
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    Re: How much of a bummer is no manual trans in 2020 Corvette?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoStopN View Post
    I figured Ford was all in on a DCT only GT500. There's no telling how many were contracted by Ford. They had been planning the DCT GT500 for years in order to have the supplier continually building more. Also, it makes me wonder if Ford already has a supplier lined up if they "get enough interest" in doing a run of manuals.
    I thought so too actually. If this had been the Mustang as a whole I don’t think backtracking would be a cheap or easy option. At this kind of volume flexibility tends to be easier to come by for various reasons. And it does make me wonder if Ford had a fallback all along. GM May for the Vette as well, and for similar reasons.

    One of the things I’m surprised by is that more companies haven’t gone the route Porsche did and basically retool a DCT into a manual. Not least because of the possibility that such a thing might let you combine a traditional, three pedal manual with a true ‘no lift shift’ option when running up through the gears. In many ways that would give drivers the best of both worlds.

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    Re: How much of a bummer is no manual trans in 2020 Corvette?

    OP the setup of your poll is stupid, like a catch. Either for manuals or against.

    Right now it’s exactly 50/50.

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    Re: How much of a bummer is no manual trans in 2020 Corvette?

    for me it is mostly "MEH"
    #1 I "miss manual cars
    BUT the Corvette and other "super" cars are beyond the capability of MOST drivers as it is and is MORE about top lap time then the "experience"
    stuff like the Miata OR the toyo-baru "86" coupes NEED the stick option as they are more about "raw connection" and extracting the MOST out of what you have

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    Re: How much of a bummer is no manual trans in 2020 Corvette?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1999 White C5 Coupe View Post
    I always wonder how many of those that complain about the lack of a manual-shift transmission would actually buy one if it was made?
    Hello. I would.
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    Re: How much of a bummer is no manual trans in 2020 Corvette?

    Looks like 200 corvettes sold over the weekend....~40 manuals

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    Re: How much of a bummer is no manual trans in 2020 Corvette?

    Quote Originally Posted by SierraGS View Post
    Isn't the DCT the "Modern" Manual Transmission?

    The 2020 Corvette does not offer an Automatic Transmission, only a Modern version of a Manual Transmission.

    The paddles still allow manual shifting without the hassles of the clutch in "Stop and Go" traffic and it shifts faster than a manual without any power losses during clutching where there will always be a slight deceleration due to power disconnect.

    True, it is a change in the driving experience and yes many drivers do enjoy "going through the gears" via the stick on the floor, but think the performance advantages will eventually outweigh those once adjusted to the new way of making the shifts.

    I understand the reasons some will be disappointed, but think once they drive it and create their own style of shifting then DCT, they will enjoy it - at least it allows you to be fully engaged in the shift process when you choose to be and allows you to let the car do the shifting when you don't.

    I can't wait to drive one!
    most are more of a semi auto. All electro mechanical
    No Clutch and paddle shift. The 7th gen did that with an Automatic trans

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    Re: How much of a bummer is no manual trans in 2020 Corvette?

    A nationwide autotrader search shows 1418 manuals versus 7163 total for 19.8%, restricted to 2015 and newer.

    20% is a fairly significant amount. Let's say half convert to DCT, that still leaves 10% on the table.
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    Re: How much of a bummer is no manual trans in 2020 Corvette?

    I'm kind of bummed about it. We have 3 manuals in our 5 vehicle fleet. They are fun to drive until you get in a stop-and-go traffic jam, then not so much. Luckily, we don't live in a big city, so it doesn't happen often.

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    Re: How much of a bummer is no manual trans in 2020 Corvette?

    Quote Originally Posted by dannyg View Post
    A nationwide autotrader search shows 1418 manuals versus 7163 total for 19.8%, restricted to 2015 and newer.

    20% is a fairly significant amount. Let's say half convert to DCT, that still leaves 10% on the table.
    I agree, but let's face it... what other mid-engined option is available for under $60K? Under $100K? GM has us over a barrel but most of us will adapt as the overall TRULY compelling package is worth giving up the manual. Trade-in time might be difficult, but I doubt I'll have any regrets. Fortunately I have other sticks so I'll survive.
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    Re: How much of a bummer is no manual trans in 2020 Corvette?

    I recall seeing that GM was issued a patent for essentially a manual shifter integrated into the DCT for those wanting the rowing experience from time to time. Don't know if GM will ever offer it on the Corvette but clearly they have thought about it.
    My millennial son sold his Lotus Elise and is looking at the new Corvette as a second car, but is bummed that it isn't available in a manual. He know the paddles are faster but he likes the shifting experience. I told him about the GM patent I referenced above. He was intrigued but is in the wait and see mode.

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    Re: How much of a bummer is no manual trans in 2020 Corvette?

    Being the 0-60 in under 3sec is via the 8-speed DCT, Iím not bummed at all. Iíve had two Camaros, a 2013 1LE and 2017 2SS, both with manuals, but now Iím ready for these new autos that will leave me in the dust as I row the manuals.
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    Re: How much of a bummer is no manual trans in 2020 Corvette?

    Majorly bummed. I feel these new cars take out so much of the driving experience, and are so refined, at least the manual still gives you control. And I do practice what I preach, I have $4500 worth of T-56 and swap parts to put a 6 speed in my 71 Firebird.
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    Re: How much of a bummer is no manual trans in 2020 Corvette?

    Quote Originally Posted by fastbal1 View Post
    Some people are still missing the point.

    Stick is about driving experience. No DCT or F1-style sequential automatic can take the place of a clutch pedal at any speed or performance level.

    When you donít need to involve your left foot, on a certain level, the driving experience of a Ferrari - which I have driven, a 2015 488, on a track, through twisties at up to 140 mph - is the same as driving a 1987 Cadillac Sedan deVille.

    That is my honest to god opinion of anything without a clutch pedal.

    If you get it, I do not need to explain. If you donít get it, explaining will never get you to understand.

    Believe it or not many of us having owned manual transmission sports cars are not missing the point...

    People said the same crap when ABS brakes became available and then again when active handling became a vailable...


    Oh its remiving part of the driving skill we have developed for holding the car at the absolute limit of adhesion for braking or cornering and nothing is really farther from the truth...

    Sa,e thing for most of manual transmission sports car owners...

    The bottom line the center structure of the c8 is a major portion of delivering a rigid chassis in. Mid engine sports cars as designed by the corvette team.

    You might appreciate most 500 hp 470 lb ft of tq rear mid engine exotics have higher side sills than the c8...because they did not have the expertise to design the center section as such an integral portion of the computer modeling for rigidity...

    We can go on an on about price performance relationships but thats always been beaten to death so lets discuss the cargo capability comparision as well....not to mention another detail like GMs durability compared to foreign competitors...

    Its been suggested q.2 million just to certify each transmission and the fact the pcm controlling clutch activation does probably allow for greater control of engine emissions and fuel efficiency testing for the government...

    Sounds like a who cares but if gm can more accurately control emissions and fuel efficiency during government tests...it can more easily up the hp levels at the same time ...

    Taking all this into account...many of us are ok with the direct dct transmission that can shift 10 times faster than any human being and do it over and over again consistently..
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    Re: How much of a bummer is no manual trans in 2020 Corvette?

    Quote Originally Posted by JBsZ06 View Post
    Believe it or not many of us having owned manual transmission sports cars are not missing the point...

    People said the same crap when ABS brakes became available and then again when active handling became a vailable...


    Oh its remiving part of the driving skill we have developed for holding the car at the absolute limit of adhesion for braking or cornering and nothing is really farther from the truth...

    Sa,e thing for most of manual transmission sports car owners...

    The bottom line the center structure of the c8 is a major portion of delivering a rigid chassis in. Mid engine sports cars as designed by the corvette team.

    You might appreciate most 500 hp 470 lb ft of tq rear mid engine exotics have higher side sills than the c8...because they did not have the expertise to design the center section as such an integral portion of the computer modeling for rigidity...

    We can go on an on about price performance relationships but thats always been beaten to death so lets discuss the cargo capability comparision as well....not to mention another detail like GMs durability compared to foreign competitors...

    Its been suggested q.2 million just to certify each transmission and the fact the pcm controlling clutch activation does probably allow for greater control of engine emissions and fuel efficiency testing for the government...

    Sounds like a who cares but if gm can more accurately control emissions and fuel efficiency during government tests...it can more easily up the hp levels at the same time ...

    Taking all this into account...many of us are ok with the direct dct transmission that can shift 10 times faster than any human being and do it over and over again consistently..
    After reading your post a couple of times, you are ABSOLUTELY still missing the point!!

    ABS? This has nothing to do with "skill" or the ability of a driver to shift gears smoothly and quickly.

    It has NOTHING to do with what the limits of driving are.

    It has NOTHING to do with how fast you can go through the Nurburgring or any other track.

    It has EVERYTHING and ONLY EVERYTHING to do with the ENJOYMENT of driving a stick!!!!

    FORGET everything else. I really wanted to use the other f word but that would get me punished.

    So clearly, you do NOT get what people who want manuals are talking about, and there is no sense in discussing it. You'll never get it.

    The thing that REALLY drives me absolutely mad is how people cry that the car would be "sooooo slowww" with a manual I just look at them with a dumb face and go "you think that Corvette with a 6 or 7 speed manual is going to be a slouch? You think it's going to be slower than, oh, 99% of the cars on the street???? Please."
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