Cadillac Flagship doesn't have to be a Sedan.

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    Cadillac Flagship doesn't have to be a Sedan.

    Cadillac Flagship.
    It doesn't have to be a Sedan.



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    Op-Ed by MonaroSS
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    Everyone is assuming that any new Cadillac Flagship will be a large sedan. But even the story breaking the idea said the vehicle was not specified yet. Even though it probably will be a sedan, it's not certain that such will be the case. It could be a large Coupe instead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Car&Driver
    Cadillac fans will be thrilled to hear that Ed Whitacre himself has instructed the brand to build a true, full-size flagship above both the CTS and the upcoming XTS. The car has not been clearly defined yet.
    I did the above chop to represent a Coupe that GM Design had already done based on the Sixteen and which had received some media reports several years back. I sent this chop to Bob Lutz some time back and discussed the idea that when Camaro moves to the Alpha platform then there exists the cost effective opportunity to leave the current Camaro production on Zeta in place and redesign it. Using the latest mods from Holden on Zeta II and stretching the hood even further, it could be a good base to re-body as the Cadillac Flagship Coupe form of the Sixteen. Fit it with an XTS Platinum type luxury interior with even higher levels of custom hides, woods and semi precious stone finishes and it could be extraordinary.

    Given the work already done making the Camaro Zeta a Convertible as well, then a Convertible version of this Cadillac Flagship could also be offered.

    Bob thought it was very attractive, and of course we know the styling clay and some studies at least already existed inside GM Design. So perhaps they tossed around the idea of a Zeta Camaro being reborn as a luxury Cadillac? We can only but speculate. The Zeta platform is going to get upgrades from Holden and the manufacturing already is in place in Canada. So it does not have to be an expensive option with most of the costs already paid for by Commodore and Camaro sales. Its a comprehensive re-body and new interior upgrade, not a clean sheet design that Cadillac could not really justify on the small numbers. We have already seen how the Chinese upgraded the Holden interior for a limited run Flagship Buick Park Avenue, so the next generation Caprice interior Im sure could get a Cadillac makeover with lavishings of luxury for a Flagship and go into the Camaro inner shell with a new stylish exterior. The Zeta under Camaro handles very well and is comfortable and, with the Magnetic Ride Control (MRC) already on high end Holden's, can be more so. But while it is also a heavy, strong platform, that some regret being used under Camaro, such weight and strength is actually a positive in a Flagship Luxury Coupe.

    Power-wise we know an LS9 can slip under the hood to match the Germans and be mated to a new 8-speed auto or the next generation 2-Mode drive train. The frame can take it as Holdens already run around England and OZ with supercharged V8s in them making big power. I think that this new Cadillac Flagship could well be a powerful luxury Coupe based on Zeta and Camaro. However if not, then a Cadillac Sedan Flagship could easily have a Coupe companion paired with it as described above. What do you think? And what should Cadillac call it if they do it?

    Below is a variation of the styling to incorporate a sharper more Converj style rising bodyline and fins. A well-known GMI member requested it



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    Re: Cadillac Flagship doesn't have to be a Sedan.

    Yes but it should not be a SUV/CUV either...

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    Re: Cadillac Flagship doesn't have to be a Sedan.

    Let's just hope whatever it is that there aren't sedan, coupe, and wagon versions.

    I like the work you've done here. I'm sure there are loads of subtle differences I'll pick up on later, as I always do. I'm afraid I don't really love it though. It's cool, but it's just not my speed! I'm afraid there aren't many that would buy it either.

    Now... I'm sure you remember the Kappa Riviera you did a while back. How about a Cadillac version?

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    Re: Cadillac Flagship doesn't have to be a Sedan.

    A coupe is fine...but for Cadillac to rise to the top and compete with the worlds best it will need a RWD sedan with a large engine to lead the way.

    I say bring this fine coupe and a long wheelbase sedan as well. They both don't need to be high volume...but bring it just to show that GM can still do it.

    Follow Hyundai's lead. They are bringing the Equus not to make money on it...but to show the world - specifically the US what they are capable of doing. That is what Cadillac needs to do...or they risk becoming just another Lincoln type badge engineered luxury brand.
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    Re: Cadillac Flagship doesn't have to be a Sedan.

    They need a luxury RWD sedan. Large coupes sell in miniscule volumes. Make the sedan first then if it's selling design a coupe off it.

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    Re: Cadillac Flagship doesn't have to be a Sedan.

    interesting idea. with MRC and some more use of aluminum to lighten it up a bit, i think zeta could make a fine cadillac coupe

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    Re: Cadillac Flagship doesn't have to be a Sedan.

    And as far as Kappa goes, i never did understand why they let it die. Further development could have meant some awesome little roadsters for chevy, buick, and opel. I don't think Kappa was premium enough for cadillac but a second gen could've remedied that.

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    Re: Cadillac Flagship doesn't have to be a Sedan.

    How about calling it Eldorado?

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    Re: Cadillac Flagship doesn't have to be a Sedan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Show-Me View Post
    How about calling it Eldorado?
    Thats exactly what I was thinking, but that would leave Eldorado and Escalade as the only caddys with real names. Its funny because the Escalade Platinum and "Eldorado" would probably be the most expensive vehicles in the whole lineup. You gets what ya pays for I guess.

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    Your non-converj version does it for me. I think it could be the halo car for caddy in addition to the sedan. I've got an old high school friend who has a bentley coupe (he's doing quite well) and it is a definite head turner. I'd say your version of a 16 coupe could compete looks wise with the bentley easily.
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    Re: Cadillac Flagship doesn't have to be a Sedan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Show-Me View Post
    How about calling it Eldorado?
    Lot of baggage with that name...most people under the age of 45 associate it with this:



    While certainly not a terrible car, it was hardly world class. Cadillac's flagship has to be world class and highly competitive!
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    Re: Cadillac Flagship doesn't have to be a Sedan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    Lot of baggage with that name...most people under the age of 45 associate it with this:



    While certainly not a terrible car, it was hardly world class. Cadillac's flagship has to be world class and highly competitive!
    True, but I think that Ford has proven with the Taurus and GM with the Camaro that this "baggage" can be overcome with great product. People have short attention spans and if the flagship is a real head turner they could call it eldorado and get away with it.

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    Re: Cadillac Flagship doesn't have to be a Sedan.

    They need a sedan first.

    I'd offer three engines in these models:
    Sixty Two = LS3
    Sixty Two Special = LSA
    Sixty Two Super = LS9

    IMO an LS9 powered Cadillac sedan with the requisite luxury accoutrements could easily fetch well into six figures.
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    Re: Cadillac Flagship doesn't have to be a Sedan.

    Just guessing here, but I'm going with "4 door coupe" ala everyone else in the world. No way is it going to be the reinvention of a 70s land-barge.



    Quote Originally Posted by 2648562 View Post
    Let's just hope whatever it is that there aren't sedan, coupe, and wagon versions.
    When has that ever been a problem for GM?



    Quote Originally Posted by boblutzfan View Post
    Follow Hyundai's lead. They are bringing the Equus not to make money on it...but to show the world - specifically the US what they are capable of doing.
    You are wrong. The Equus is here to turn a profit and lead Hyundai up into Lexus/MB territory.



    Quote Originally Posted by TuffG929 View Post
    interesting idea. with MRC and some more use of aluminum to lighten it up a bit, i think zeta could make a fine cadillac coupe
    With all due respect, this seems like a terrible idea. How much mocking would GM endure (especially on this site) if they turned a Chevy into a Caddy? Besides all the Cimmeron jokes, it would actually be worse than that because GM would be using a Chevy to make a Caddy flagship.
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    Re: Cadillac Flagship doesn't have to be a Sedan.

    Is this necessary ?, we all know it's going to be a sedan .
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