2017 Buick/Holden Mark Reuss is Dreaming of ?

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    2017 Buick/Holden Mark Reuss is Dreaming of ?

    2017 Buick/Holden "people's" Panamera?
    May 5th, 2014
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    Mark Reuss has wondered if Buick could sell a Porsche Panamera type of vehicle. And we have seen the sketches on computers at Holden Design that look like Holden is also contemplating such a vehicle. We at this time have no idea about platform or even if it would be RWD/AWD or FWD/AWD. However, we do know something about engines that could be on offer. Certainly the new TTV6 would seem a natural choice for this car. Entry could start at a 2.0 Turbo Ecotec, perhaps with eAssist, but I doubt an atmospheric 2.5 I4 would suit such as car's persona. Even if the platform turns out to use a transverse engine we know GM has shoved the small block V8 into transverse Impala's, so a V8 is not completely out of the question, especially if a small 4.5 TT is added to the rage.

    Given the recent announcements of new Opel models going to Holden as of 2015, it seems there is likely going to be a closer relationship with Buick/Holden/Opel in model sharing. While there is obviously the continuing potential for Chevy models at the lower end for Holden, I don't see even the Impala being used to replace the higher end Holdens like the Calais, SS and Caprice models. So perhaps Impala replaces the bread and butter Commodores but this 'Panamera' style Buick replaces the Calais and above luxury and performance models for Holden. And it could find a small spot as an Opel/Vauxhall flagship as well as be the next Chinese Buick flagship. I imagine just one plant will make the vehicles for all three destinations in addition to China. I wonder if such a vehicle could be the first GM car made in China to be sold in the US? That would be an interesting PR exercise. They could of course stamp and manufacture it in China and send kits to the US for final assembly to be married to US engine/transmissions, not unlike China currently assembles the Holden Caprice from kits.

    In any case I would imagine that such a model would have a top level interior and all the bells and whistles; as GM is getting quite good at that these days. And it could end up being a performance bargain if performance aims at Panamera aspirational levels. My hope would be for a RWD/AWD platform, but even a FWD/AWD platform could still make for a very fast car with the right weight (read lots of aluminium), balance and engine options.



















    I personally feel Mark Reuss would not have used the evocative comparison to Panamera if it was just about looks. Porsche stands for superior performance above all else, so I cannot imagine any GM vehicle compared to a Panamera would just be an interesting looking I4 FWD sedan.

    So the questions are: Can Buick use a performance flagship? And can Buick be believable in a performance role?

    What say you?









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    Re: 2017 Buick/Holden Mark Reuss is Dreaming of ?

    Not feeling this one....seems a little "forced".
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    Re: 2017 Buick/Holden Mark Reuss is Dreaming of ?

    I like it.

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    Re: 2017 Buick/Holden Mark Reuss is Dreaming of ?

    Long time no see Monaro

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    Re: 2017 Buick/Holden Mark Reuss is Dreaming of ?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnstarnes View Post
    Not feeling this one....seems a little "forced".
    Hi John,

    I know you like more traditional Buick cues such as curvy sweepspear and jewelry like portholes etc, but I think that such a car if made in just one spot for three or four different brands will have to be forced a little into a compromise stylewise to fit all the brands...

    I tried to carry over all the size and proportions and shapes from the Holden sketches. I added a little more flavor to the headlights as in my view Holden is not adventurous enough with lighting...



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    Quote Originally Posted by dslay04 View Post
    Long time no see Monaro
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    Re: 2017 Buick/Holden Mark Reuss is Dreaming of ?

    Quote Originally Posted by All Star View Post
    I like it.
    So do I. This looks ready and able to do battle with the big boys that Cadillac is going after, not just Lexus, etc., etc.

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    Re: 2017 Buick/Holden Mark Reuss is Dreaming of ?

    Don't mess with my emotions!

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    Re: 2017 Buick/Holden Mark Reuss is Dreaming of ?

    I like your vision for the car, overall. Hate the segmented headlights. My feeling is that Acura is going to be alone in using that design motif, as it just makes a car look too, I dunno, reptilian.

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    Re: 2017 Buick/Holden Mark Reuss is Dreaming of ?

    That first rendering, Monaro!
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    Re: 2017 Buick/Holden Mark Reuss is Dreaming of ?

    It looks classy and infinitely better than those Holden drawings. GM has an opportunity to give Buick a really beautiful flagship. (I guess Monaro SS is right, in that the car will have to be a compromise to be sold in various markets under various brands. So is this the car that Ed Welburn said was the best Buick design in decades?)

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    Re: 2017 Buick/Holden Mark Reuss is Dreaming of ?

    It's a great concept that will probably come down to execution. It would be great for Buick to have such a vehicle in the stable!

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    Re: 2017 Buick/Holden Mark Reuss is Dreaming of ?

    I would trade in my Regal for something like that, but my guess is it will be a while before Buick gets new product in N.A.

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    Re: 2017 Buick/Holden Mark Reuss is Dreaming of ?

    I like the Holden rendering but agree with MonaroSS that lights need work.

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    Re: 2017 Buick/Holden Mark Reuss is Dreaming of ?

    Not bad at all, and welcome back. I do feel the grille could be a bit heavier/more pronounced, but I do like the headlights.

    Overall I'd call it a good start.

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