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    What's coming up for Hyundai / Genesis

    I'll keep it brief... A small CUV to compete with cars the size of the Kia Soul is coming - though maybe not right away.

    A 3-Series sized competitor is on the more immediate drawing board ALONG with a large SUV to compete with vehicles sized like the Buick Enclave. Hyundai isn't sure which vehicle will come first but the SUV is most likely to hit markets first.

    These vehicles will expand the Genesis lineup keeping things fresh for customers who want a luxurious driving experience without the need for bragging rights...

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    Re: What's coming up for Hyundai / Genesis

    Hyundai's iX25 compact CUV/SUV launches later this year http://auto.ndtv.com/news/hyundai-ix...eatures-656351.

    A full-size SUV, bigger than Santa Fe LWB, will probably a North America-only model so they'll need to get their sales projections correct - the existing Santa Fe LWB is too big for many global markets so going bigger will be a gamble.

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    Re: What's coming up for Hyundai / Genesis

    I remember the idea of luxury-izing the Borrego platform and I continue to like that idea. Market it as a global luxury SUV, and it could compete in theory with the GX and LR4, or even higher end Grand Cherokee. I don't really want another FWD crossover (not that buyers care).

    The sub-Genesis is more interesting to me anyway. If they can retain as much refinement as possible from the Genesis and just offer a smaller package, that might be a nice option. I'm not sure if they should go in a sporty (ATS) or luxurious (C-Class) route. Either way if they could get Lotus' assistance again with the handling that'd be great. The nice thing for Hyundai is that they already have all the ingredients to make a great option in this segment. The RWD platform is a good one, they have all necessary tech for the interior, and they have the 8AT (6MT too if the wanted). The 1.6T and 2.0T would be nice entry and mid-level options. The new twin-turbo V-6 would be a good 335i/S4/C400 alternative.

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    Re: What's coming up for Hyundai / Genesis

    The Mohave/Borrego was Hyundai/Kia's replacement for the Terracan which was itself based on the previous generation Mitsubishi Pajero - the Mohave/Borrego was replaced in most markets by the 2nd generation Sorento, which is based on the 2nd generation Santa Fe. Globally, there's little demand for BOF SUVs.

    Sub-Genesis is interesting as they have all the engine options already available - including I4 and V6 turbo-diesels for Europe.

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    Re: What's coming up for Hyundai / Genesis

    A large and all new SUV will be very big undertaking for them. By the time they get it done, the whole market could change.

    I wonder if they'll try and find one that is nearly done and just do the drivetrain???
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    Re: What's coming up for Hyundai / Genesis

    Quote Originally Posted by jry View Post
    A large and all new SUV will be very big undertaking for them. By the time they get it done, the whole market could change.

    I wonder if they'll try and find one that is nearly done and just do the drivetrain???
    Kia Borrego in post #3...

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    Re: What's coming up for Hyundai / Genesis

    Thanks for this thread.

    Larger Borrego-class SUV will be interesting. Encore competitor will be interesting. Hyundai is watching KIA sell 120,000+ Souls per year and wants some of that action.
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    Re: What's coming up for Hyundai / Genesis

    Quote Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano View Post
    I'll keep it brief... A small CUV to compete with cars the size of the Kia Soul is coming - though maybe not right away.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    Hyundai's iX25 compact CUV/SUV launches later this year http://auto.ndtv.com/news/hyundai-ix...eatures-656351.
    Sal is correct as the ix25 (like the Ford EcoSport) is only for certain markets (China, India, etc.)


    Quote Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano View Post
    A 3-Series sized competitor is on the more immediate drawing board ALONG with a large SUV to compete with vehicles sized like the Buick Enclave. Hyundai isn't sure which vehicle will come first but the SUV is most likely to hit markets first.

    These vehicles will expand the Genesis lineup keeping things fresh for customers who want a luxurious driving experience without the need for bragging rights...
    Interesting, thought the compact RWD sedan was further along.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    A full-size SUV, bigger than Santa Fe LWB, will probably a North America-only model so they'll need to get their sales projections correct - the existing Santa Fe LWB is too big for many global markets so going bigger will be a gamble.
    As for the CUV, RT is correct that something larger than the LWB SF would basically be for the NA market (and maybe China these days, along with certain Middle East markets), but the whole sizing question goes hand in hand with RWD vs FWD and whether this will be something that just slots above the LWB SF in size or is intended to be a luxury CUV.

    If it's something to slot above the LWB SF (and be a full-size competitor), then it would be FWD-based on the platform that underpins the Azera.

    However, if it is intended to be a lux CUV, the Genesis platform would be the basis (for a mid-size), but that in itself poses some risks as the Japanese lux makes have gone with the cheaper FWD layout, so a RWD-based Hyundai lux CUV wouldn't have the price advantage over the MDX, QX60 and the new RX - and the distinction btwn FWD and RWD means a lot less for crossovers than sedans in the lux market.

    Personally, I'd like to see Hyundai stick to RWD when it comes to their lux offerings, but I can see the business side of going with FWD for a lux CUV (which poses its own issues for Hyundai).

    Like VW and Cadillac, Hyundai has been slow to expand its CUV lineup, but at the same time, unlike the other 2, didn't have the build capacity.


    Quote Originally Posted by Amphibian View Post
    The sub-Genesis is more interesting to me anyway. If they can retain as much refinement as possible from the Genesis and just offer a smaller package, that might be a nice option. I'm not sure if they should go in a sporty (ATS) or luxurious (C-Class) route.
    Think w/ the RWD compact sedan, will gravitate on the sportier side (since it basically will be the 4-door equivalent to the new RWD coupe), but unlike the ATS, not sacrifice interior room.


    Quote Originally Posted by Amphibian View Post
    Either way if they could get Lotus' assistance again with the handling that'd be great. The nice thing for Hyundai is that they already have all the ingredients to make a great option in this segment.
    Some think that the Aussie-tuned Sonata is superior to the US-tuned Genesis.


    Quote Originally Posted by Amphibian View Post
    The RWD platform is a good one, they have all necessary tech for the interior, and they have the 8AT (6MT too if the wanted). The 1.6T and 2.0T would be nice entry and mid-level options. The new twin-turbo V-6 would be a good 335i/S4/C400 alternative.
    Based on one report, the TTV6 for the new RWD coupe is north of 450HP (will see if there's any truth to that - I'm a bit skeptical).
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    Re: What's coming up for Hyundai / Genesis

    Also, the 3.3 liter twin turbo engine is expected to easily and safely achieve 480hp. However, we'll probably see 440-450 at it's release for sake of room for improvement down the road...

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    Re: What's coming up for Hyundai / Genesis

    Quote Originally Posted by YEH View Post
    Sal is correct as the ix25 (like the Ford EcoSport) is only for certain markets (China, India, etc.)




    A full-size SUV, bigger than Santa Fe LWB, will probably a North America-only model so they'll need to get their sales projections correct - the existing Santa Fe LWB is too big for many global markets so going bigger will be a gamble.
    A 3-Series sized competitor is on the more immediate drawing board ALONG with a large SUV to compete with vehicles sized like the Buick Enclave. Hyundai isn't sure which vehicle will come first but the SUV is most likely to hit markets first.

    These vehicles will expand the Genesis lineup keeping things fresh for customers who want a luxurious driving experience without the need for bragging rights...[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

    Hyundai sell very few models in all markets - they're good at being market-specific

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    Re: What's coming up for Hyundai / Genesis

    Hyundai has a lot coming over the horizon...

    all-new Tucson (this looks really promising, better than the SF Sport but in a smaller package)

    all-new Elantra

    all-new Equus (the overall profile doesn't excite me based on the spyshots, but then again, can't think of a flagship sedan that does - closest might very well be the Continental despite being an amalgamation of design cues and being FWD-based)

    all-new RWD coupe (Genesis coupe replacement)

    all-new subcompact CUV

    all-new hybrid model

    all-new compact RWD sedan

    all-new (lux?) CUV

    And that's not counting things like the new hybrid Sonata or Hyundai's Euro offerings.

    In addition, based on the latest rumblings, the Santa Cruz is getting close to being greenlit (probably dependent on Hyundai's production expansion at Alabama).

    Hyundai has also been contemplating a 4-door coupe on the Genesis platform, but think at this juncture, their investment $$ would be better spent on a lux CUV (and if that rumored CUV is a lux model, then a 2nd lux CUV).

    Kia has a good no. of things on its plate as well...

    all-new Cadenza

    all-new K900

    all-new Sportage

    all-new GT/K800?

    The Trail'ster (Soul variant w/ e-AWD) looks like a pretty much go as well w/ Kia's Mexico plant to come online within a year.

    One thing - H/K are going to have to cut weight on their higher end lux sedans.

    By all accounts, the Genesis sedan is solid - has that old school feel and thunk when you shut the doors, so while I wouldn't want Hyundai to go to tinnier sheetmetal to cut weight, they need to do other things esp. after what Cadillac has done w/ the CT6 and what BMW is doing for the next 5er and 7er.

    Don't need to go all-out since price is still an equation, but unless there are advances in high-tensile steel w/ regard to weight, Hyundai will have to go back to adding aluminum or other lighter weight materials (should be doing this w/ the new Equus).
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    Re: What's coming up for Hyundai / Genesis

    Quote Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano View Post
    Kia Borrego in post #3...
    I know, Sal. I'm pretty sure that the Kia isn't big enough. They're talking really big, here, right? Big like comparable to the Equus...
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    Re: What's coming up for Hyundai / Genesis

    Quote Originally Posted by jry View Post
    I know, Sal. I'm pretty sure that the Kia isn't big enough. They're talking really big, here, right? Big like comparable to the Equus...
    BIG.
    As mentioned in the first post - Buick Enclave sized. Not really THAT big. Not like an Escalade or anything...

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