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    Infiniti Looks at Platform-Sharing GT Coupe and Flagship Luxury Sedan

    Infiniti Looks at Platform-Sharing GT Coupe and Flagship Luxury Sedan, Emerg-E Nixed
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    April 30, 2013
    Perhaps the best news to come out of Infiniti’s Grand Product Renaming of 2012 was that there will, at some point, be a true sucessor to the Q45. Following the original Q45—and unlike the current M37/Q70, we’d contend—Infiniti will try to position the new flagship sedan as an unorthodox entry to the luxury market. Johan de Nysschen, Infiniti’s new president, told us recently in more detail what to expect.

    Above Q70 you need a car that competes with 7-series, S-class, and Audi A8. That’s conventional thinking. There’s enough action going on in that segment. I don’t think the world needs another car like that. But I do think the world needs an upscale, very emotional, high-performance luxury sedan from Infiniti that might be a different concept.

    How this translates to a vehicle, though, is a challenge: Every luxury automaker pitches their products as emotional and high-tech. Other Infiniti and Nissan execs say that a variety of ideas are under consideration for the flagship. A swoopy fastback, akin to the Mercedes-Benz CLS and the Audi A7, seems to be a good possibility, but there also are some “really wild” shapes getting attention. But wild may not be enough. Infiniti’s Q70 already does look quite different from the German establishment, albeit in a bulbous way, but it still remains nearly anonymous. This difficulty isn’t constrained to Infiniti, of course; even with distinctive, dramatic styling, the Jaguar XJ hasn’t been able to propel that brand into the luxury mainstream. Speaking of propulsion, you may recall Mr. de Nysschen saying last fall that future Infinitis weren’t being planned to incorporate V-8 engines. Unless there’s been a change to powertrain strategy, it looks like the Infiniti flagship will draw, at most, on a turbocharged V-6.

    Even still, for de Nysschen, the man who steered Audi on its course to prominence in the U.S., having two proper range toppers is a requirement. “We need these cars as technological and emotional flagships. They can raise the center of gravity for the brand.” That’s a great deal of pressure on two cars—almost as much, say, as a new luxury brand trying to challenge the BMW 5-series back in 1989.

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    So no Omega competitor (and s class and bmw 7) but something else?

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    Re: Infiniti Looks at Platform-Sharing GT Coupe and Flagship Luxury Sedan

    As someone who has owned two Q45s, this piques my interest.
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    Re: Infiniti Looks at Platform-Sharing GT Coupe and Flagship Luxury Sedan

    GTR based sedans sounds cool.

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    Re: Infiniti Looks at Platform-Sharing GT Coupe and Flagship Luxury Sedan

    As long as they keep sport oriented and affordability at the top of the list infiniti can survive
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    Re: Infiniti Looks at Platform-Sharing GT Coupe and Flagship Luxury Sedan

    Apparently Panameras aren't included in the mix?

    What Infinti seems to be suggesting is not a competitor to the S/A8/7/XJ, but a competitor to the Quattroporte/CLS/A7/Panamera.

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    Re: Infiniti Looks at Platform-Sharing GT Coupe and Flagship Luxury Sedan

    Quote Originally Posted by mgescuro View Post
    Apparently Panameras aren't included in the mix?

    What Infinti seems to be suggesting is not a competitor to the S/A8/7/XJ, but a competitor to the Quattroporte/CLS/A7/Panamera.
    It will be interesting to see what direction will future Cadillac flagship take (not the truck but the sedan). Will they really try to compete against top of the line S class, BMW 7, XJ or will they try to ofer something like affordable luxurie..or something like that.

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    Re: Infiniti Looks at Platform-Sharing GT Coupe and Flagship Luxury Sedan

    Quote Originally Posted by asrapid1 View Post
    It will be interesting to see what direction will future Cadillac flagship take (not the truck but the sedan). Will they really try to compete against top of the line S class, BMW 7, XJ or will they try to ofer something like affordable luxurie..or something like that.
    First thing's first. Let's make sure Omega is 100% green lighted for production.
    Reports have always pointed to Omega benchmarking the A8.

    So my guess would be high tech luxury priced starting at $70,000 or so.

    I don't think Cadillac is aiming for "affordable luxury," as Buick seems to be occupying that space. I think GM's aiming for a "If you want a Cadillac, better be prepared to pay for it" strategy. And I agree with it.

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    Re: Infiniti Looks at Platform-Sharing GT Coupe and Flagship Luxury Sedan

    Quote Originally Posted by mgescuro View Post
    Reports have always pointed to Omega benchmarking the A8.

    So my guess would be high tech luxury priced starting at $70,000 or so.

    I don't think Cadillac is aiming for "affordable luxury," as Buick seems to be occupying that space. I think GM's aiming for a "If you want a Cadillac, better be prepared to pay for it" strategy. And I agree with it.
    I agree with that strategy too..but does Cadillac have that image,will,perseverance, to pull something like that? It seems Infinity doesn't want to go against S class, 7 series or Audi A8 (maybe it is some part of deal between Renault/Nissan and Daimler Ag...who knows). Even Jaguar with their XJ is having a hard time against S class and other two from German trio.
    Also question is will Cadillac aim only at lower and middle models of A8 (and the other two) or will they also go against top models.
    Any new manufacturer that tries to succeed in that class will have lots to prove to potential buyers.
    Infiniti here is almost nonexistent..i don't know what image does it have in U.S.A...is it considered to be competition to german trio or?
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    Re: Infiniti Looks at Platform-Sharing GT Coupe and Flagship Luxury Sedan

    Quote Originally Posted by asrapid1 View Post
    I agree with that strategy too..but does Cadillac have that image,will,perseverance, to pull something like that? It seems Infinity doesn't want to go against S class, 7 series or Audi A8 (maybe it is some part of deal between Renault/Nissan and Daimler Ag...who knows). Even Jaguar with their XJ is having a hard time against S class and other two from German trio.
    Also question is will Cadillac aim only at lower and middle models of A8 (and the other two) or will they also go against top models.
    Any new manufacturer that tries to succeed in that class will have lots to prove to potential buyers.
    Infiniti here is almost nonexistent..i don't know what image does it have in U.S.A...is it considered to be competition to german trio or?
    Well, you gotta start somewhere. And destroying pianos and clocks aren't the way to raise a luxury image profile either.

    Yeah, XJ is having a hard time in the segment, but Jaguar is still a small brand, it's working its way on cleaning up its own image. It'll be fine. They've got the right product out on the market. ANd they've got a good strategy. Can't say I'm a fan of their commercials though.

    Cadillac Omega should come out with at least 5 models: V6, V6TT, V8SC or TT, Hybrid, Diesel.

    Infiniti is considered competition for the Germans; however, it is a tangential competition. It's sporty and luxurious. But it lacks a certain premium character and quality. It's never really hit its stride here in the US, particularly as it's always compared to Lexus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgescuro View Post
    Well, you gotta start somewhere. And destroying pianos and clocks aren't the way to raise a luxury image profile either.

    Yeah, XJ is having a hard time in the segment, but Jaguar is still a small brand, it's working its way on cleaning up its own image. It'll be fine. They've got the right product out on the market. ANd they've got a good strategy. Can't say I'm a fan of their commercials though.

    Cadillac Omega should come out with at least 5 models: V6, V6TT, V8SC or TT, Hybrid, Diesel.

    Infiniti is considered competition for the Germans; however, it is a tangential competition. It's sporty and luxurious. But it lacks a certain premium character and quality. It's never really hit its stride here in the US, particularly as it's always compared to Lexus.
    Well Cadillac will have v6, V6 TT available ..now V8 will probably come in form of Gen V v8 (and some sort of forced induction) ,but i doubt GM will develop any new V8. Now diesel is a little bit sketchy.Does GM have any bigger diesel in their offerings?
    I've seen couple of Infiniti here but they were all SUV (i think FX or something like that). Also does Infiniti offer competitive powertrain to what germans offer? Are their V6 better or worse than the one from competition?

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    Re: Infiniti Looks at Platform-Sharing GT Coupe and Flagship Luxury Sedan

    Quote Originally Posted by asrapid1 View Post
    Well Cadillac will have v6, V6 TT available ..now V8 will probably come in form of Gen V v8 (and some sort of forced induction) ,but i doubt GM will develop any new V8. Now diesel is a little bit sketchy.Does GM have any bigger diesel in their offerings?
    I've seen couple of Infiniti here but they were all SUV (i think FX or something like that). Also does Infiniti offer competitive powertrain to what germans offer? Are their V6 better or worse than the one from competition?
    Ive never seen a Cadillac in Europe; however, I have seen a few Infinitis.
    I hate the idea of an OHV V8 in a Cadillac. I really do, if only for the perception aspect of it, and because GM can't spin and market worth a damn.

    Infinit has very competitive powertrains and in some respects equal or better to present powerplants in Cadillacs. If we are to believe what the head of Infiniti has said about future engines, expect better mpg and power output from their high end V6's -- more than CTS-VSport's V6TT. Power will be closer to AMG V8's.

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    Re: Infiniti Looks at Platform-Sharing GT Coupe and Flagship Luxury Sedan

    Unfortunately for Infiniti their presence in this class has been nonexistent for so long , and in many ways the competition already has made them in some ways nigh on irrelevant.
    I want a car so violent that the mere thought of full throttle would cause a heart attack. That actually going wide open throttle in would result in nothing less than instant death!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgescuro View Post
    Ive never seen a Cadillac in Europe; however, I have seen a few Infinitis.
    I hate the idea of an OHV V8 in a Cadillac. I really do, if only for the perception aspect of it, and because GM can't spin and market worth a damn.

    Infinit has very competitive powertrains and in some respects equal or better to present powerplants in Cadillacs. If we are to believe what the head of Infiniti has said about future engines, expect better mpg and power output from their high end V6's -- more than CTS-VSport's V6TT. Power will be closer to AMG V8's.
    I have seen (and actually been driven in some) Cadillac here..CTS (gen I, gen II), seville (have seen couple of them) ..even STS..but i have seen maybe one or two Infiniti that weren't SUV ( and there is a dealership in my country for Infiniti).
    Yes OHV v8 could be a bit hard to swallow for customers here (image)..but who knows what will Cadillac offer. Looking little bit at Infiniti... their V8 isn't anything special...at least not compared to germans V8...
    But it seems they will go with V6 TT as their top engine (the one from GTR,a VR38DTT, can achieve 550 hp+)

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    Re: Infiniti Looks at Platform-Sharing GT Coupe and Flagship Luxury Sedan

    At this point the sales of the M37/56 sedan illuminate us to the expected success of a car a class above. Sadly Infiniti has lost their way, and until they get their nomenclature as well as core models back on track a flagship sedan would be an exercise in futility.
    I want a car so violent that the mere thought of full throttle would cause a heart attack. That actually going wide open throttle in would result in nothing less than instant death!
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    Re: Infiniti Looks at Platform-Sharing GT Coupe and Flagship Luxury Sedan

    It is about time that they went large again.

    I miss the first two generations of large infiniti sedans.
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