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    Hell has frozen over, and pigs now fly...

    Commentary: https://www.genesisg70forum.com

    “Lexus left enough room for our winner to sneak by—just as the German brands left a similar opportunity for Lexus back in 1989.”

    “The G90 is no knock-off Rolex—it’s a proper luxury flagship.”

    “The Genesis G90 is not only a convincing S-Class alternative but is also a proper executive luxury sedan.”

    “Hop in the cabin, shut the door, and you’re in a peaceful sensory deprivation chamber. You know, like Lexuses used to be. The leather seats are “buttery smooth,” and enormously comfortable both up front and in the cavernous rear passenger area. With much to prove, Genesis appears to have thought out every function of the G90’s interior—with high-quality materials on every surface and easy-to-find controls for everything from the 360-degree camera and radar cruise control to the infotainment system.”

    http://www.motortrend.com/cars/genes...ontinental-30/
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    Re: Hell has frozen over, and pigs now fly...

    There's no reason to buy this car... and no one is buying it.
    G80 has pretty much everything the G90 has in a barely smaller package for a lot less money.

    Also, if they're so great then why does a CPO give nothing better than a crappy powertrain warranty?
    Apparently they don't have all that much confidence in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eaton53 View Post
    G80 has pretty much everything the G90 has in a barely smaller package for a lot less money.
    If you had an interest in the brand and actually perused the Genesis forums, you'd understand this is not the case. It's not a case of 2005 CTS and STS. The STS was just a bigger CTS. There was legitimately no reason to buy the STS over the CTS. That's why the STS went away.

    The CT6 couldn't even beat the Lincoln Continental to make it into the comparison. The Continental finished last. Is there any reason to buy the CT6? To note, I say "yes". I like the CT6.
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    Re: Hell has frozen over, and pigs now fly...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano View Post
    If you had an interest in the brand and actually perused the Genesis forums, you'd understand this is not the case.
    I've had extended time looking over both cars. They look almost exactly the same.




    No, those are not two pictures of the same car.
    My thought has always been "I like this car but what is the point of it?".

    The public has spoken and they agree with me. The G90 can only muster 300 something sales a month.
    I'll give 'em credit for one thing... they outsold the K900. Good job by you, Hyundai!
    Differentiate it from the G80 and you'll probably do even better.

    Genesis dealer here had a G90 at the car show... that's where I got to look it over closely. There was no one else around for a LONG time.
    But he doesn't even bother putting the G90 on the lot. He knows he can't sell it.
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    Re: Hell has frozen over, and pigs now fly...

    A great car that nobody will buy. It's a Hyundai plain and simple. Nobody aspires to own a "Hyundai" when the finally make it good. Sadly brand image is so incredibly important in this segment.Even if Cadillac or Lincoln brought out a world beating luxury sedan it would likely be a sales flop. I have yet to see either of these cars on our roads, even in trendy Vancouver.

    But hey, these things will depreciate quicker than a pink Range Rover so they'll make one heck of a used car buy.

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    I mean, there is Jaguar too in this segment, interms of nameplates, Genesis Vs. New Lexus LS , and the rest of the players.. Man there is a lot of choices.. I think these cars should all be discounted..

    In my opinion, Jaguar and Cadillac offer a totally different approach to the large boss car.. Its more appropriate for American buyers who drive themselves and are not driven by folks..

    If I were back home, I can see going to a Lexus/MB/Genesis/A8/750/continental route, here in America, I cannot afford a Chauffer and even if I could it would not look appropriate, having to drive myself, there is only Jaguar and Cadillac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ranchman View Post
    Sadly brand image is so incredibly important in this segment.
    To this day I think a VW Phaeton 4-seater is the finest car I've ever sat in. And they couldn't give them away.
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    Re: Hell has frozen over, and pigs now fly...

    Quote Originally Posted by eaton53 View Post
    I've had extended time looking over both cars. They look almost exactly the same.




    No, those are not two pictures of the same car.
    Well, then I would see an optometrist. This is what the G90 looks like, notice the center stack (amongst other things) is significantly different.




    Quote Originally Posted by eaton53 View Post
    The public has spoken and they agree with me. The G90 can only muster 300 something sales a month.

    Genesis dealer here had a G90 at the car show... that's where I got to look it over closely. There was no one else around for a LONG time.

    But he doesn't even bother putting the G90 on the lot. He knows he can't sell it.
    Which isn't bad actually, better than some more well know marques. Don't sound so butt-hurt.

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    Re: Hell has frozen over, and pigs now fly...

    Hell has frozen over, and pigs now fly...
    But the Buffalo Bills and the Detroit Lions still hadn't won a Super Bowl championship yet. Sorry I couldn't resist. ^^;

    Btw, I'm surprised then they didn't test a Maserati in that mix.

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    Re: Hell has frozen over, and pigs now fly...

    You posted the G80 interior twice. And even if they did appear the same, they drive very differently. They feel very different (materials). Now let's look at the back seats...

    G90:


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    Quote Originally Posted by eaton53 View Post
    I've had extended time looking over both cars. They look almost exactly the same.




    No, those are not two pictures of the same car.
    My thought has always been "I like this car but what is the point of it?".

    The public has spoken and they agree with me. The G90 can only muster 300 something sales a month.
    I'll give 'em credit for one thing... they outsold the K900. Good job by you, Hyundai!
    Differentiate it from the G80 and you'll probably do even better.

    Genesis dealer here had a G90 at the car show... that's where I got to look it over closely. There was no one else around for a LONG time.
    But he doesn't even bother putting the G90 on the lot. He knows he can't sell it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CJH View Post
    Well, then I would see an optometrist. This is what the G90 looks like, notice the center stack (amongst other things) is significantly different.
    Yes, he posted the G80 interior twice.

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    G-80 is the code for GM posi/limited slip.....................

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    Re: Hell has frozen over, and pigs now fly...

    Quote Originally Posted by eaton53 View Post
    There's no reason to buy this car... and no one is buying it.
    G80 has pretty much everything the G90 has in a barely smaller package for a lot less money.
    There is noticeable more rear leg room in the G90 and even more noticeable difference in the quality of materials for the interior.

    The quality of interior for the G90 is competitive for its segment, as is for the new G70, but the G80 needs an upgrade.


    Quote Originally Posted by eaton53 View Post
    The public has spoken and they agree with me. The G90 can only muster 300 something sales a month.
    And the public has spoken and the G90 outsells the A8, LS460 and XJ.

    YTD:

    G90 - 3,992
    LS460 - 3,788
    A8 - 2,861
    XJ - 2,458

    Sure, doesn't sell as well as the 7 Series, much less the S Class - but if Audi, Lexus and Jaguar can't come close to beating them, you expect the newcomer to do so?

    And in all likelihood, the LS will sell better than the G90 with the new 500, but the diff. won't be as striking (the LS will be closer to the G90 in sales than the S Class) and wouldn't be surprised if the next G90 (which should be more striking inside and out) flips the switch again.



    Quote Originally Posted by ranchman View Post
    A great car that nobody will buy. It's a Hyundai plain and simple. Nobody aspires to own a "Hyundai" when the finally make it good. Sadly brand image is so incredibly important in this segment.Even if Cadillac or Lincoln brought out a world beating luxury sedan it would likely be a sales flop. I have yet to see either of these cars on our roads, even in trendy Vancouver.

    But hey, these things will depreciate quicker than a pink Range Rover so they'll make one heck of a used car buy.
    Do people aspire to own a Toyota (which is what a Lexus is)?

    Even in Canada, the G90 (89) outsells the LS (40).

    Frankly, MT was generous in including the Conti in the comparison when it isn't even a competitor to the CT6 (which MT compared against the E Class and not the S Class); it's Cadillac equivalent being the XTS.
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    Re: Hell has frozen over, and pigs now fly...

    Quote Originally Posted by YEH View Post
    There is noticeable more rear leg room in the G90 and even more noticeable difference in the quality of materials for the interior.

    The quality of interior for the G90 is competitive for its segment, as is for the new G70, but the G80 needs an upgrade.




    And the public has spoken and the G90 outsells the A8, LS460 and XJ.

    YTD:

    G90 - 3,992
    LS460 - 3,788
    A8 - 2,861
    XJ - 2,458

    Sure, doesn't sell as well as the 7 Series much less the S Class, but if Audi, Lexus and Jaguar can't come close to beating them, you expect the newcomer to do so?

    And in all likelihood, the LS should sell better than the G90 with the new 500, but the diff. won't be as striking (the LS will be closer to the G90 in sales than the S Class) and wouldn't be surprised if the next G90 (which should be more striking inside and out) flips the switch again.





    Do people aspire to own a Toyota (which is what a Lexus is)?

    Even in Canada, the G90 (89) outsells the LS (40).
    You didn't really need to beat this dead horse. :p All the reasonable people already knew.

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    Re: Hell has frozen over, and pigs now fly...

    So, the moral of the story is: Buy the S-class.

    It's like the Christmas tree creates wind resistance story.

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