Guess who's on top? Again...

  1. Welcome to GM Inside News Forum – General discussion forum for GM

    Welcome to GM Inside News Forum - a website dedicated to all things GM.

    You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, at no cost, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, Join GM Inside News Forum today!
     
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 26

Thread: Guess who's on top? Again...

  1. #1
    6.2 Liter LS9 Supercharged V8 Premium Member Sal Collaziano's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Royal Palm Beach, Florida
    Posts
    6,925
    Thanks
    314
    Thanked 920 Times in 538 Posts
    My Ride
    RENNtech E63 AMG

    Guess who's on top? Again...

    Once again Kia has topped the J.D. Power and Associates Initial Quality Study... And guess who came in second? Genesis...


  2. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Sal Collaziano For This Useful Post:

    2b2 (06-21-2017),InCogKneeToe (06-22-2017)

  3. Remove Advertisements
    GM Inside News
    Advertisements
     

  4. #2
    R2-D2 Astromech Droid Premium Member Neanderthal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    A sunny cave in Transylvania
    Posts
    34,609
    Thanks
    8,837
    Thanked 7,183 Times in 4,406 Posts
    My Ride
    17 Soul&/01 PT LTD/15 JD130

    Re: Guess who's on top? Again...

    Someone's been studying QA!
    2017 Soul &, Titanium

    The freedom of Speech may be taken away, and, dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep, to the Slaughter. George Washington

    Hidden Content

  5. #3
    6.0 Liter L76 V8 supraracer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Tha D.M.V.
    Posts
    2,147
    Thanks
    444
    Thanked 772 Times in 354 Posts
    My Ride
    1992 Supra Turbo

    Re: Guess who's on top? Again...

    Surprising list
    Straights are for fast cars, corners are for fast drivers.

    1992 Supra Turbo (Modified)
    2014 Chevrolet Cruze LTZ RS (Trifecta Tune Coming Soon)
    Past Rides:
    Nissan Murano SLE AWD
    Chrysler Conquest TSI (Modified)
    Toyota Celica ST
    '77 COTY Chevrolet Caprice Classic w/F41 option

  6. Remove Advertisements
    GM Inside News
    Advertisements
     

  7. #4
    1.4 Liter Turbocharged ECOTEC
    Join Date
    Jun 2016
    Location
    Columbus, GA
    Posts
    99
    Thanks
    27
    Thanked 67 Times in 38 Posts
    My Ride
    2017 GMC Sierra Denali

    Re: Guess who's on top? Again...

    I still don't understand why resale values on the Kias are so low. They build a damn good vehicle! My Optima hybrid has has the fewest (0) visits to the dealer for warranty work than any other vehicle I've owned.

  8. #5
    GMI Staff Member FenwickHockey65's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    20,775
    Thanks
    384
    Thanked 3,652 Times in 1,376 Posts
    My Ride
    '03 GMC Envoy/'07 Ford F-150

    Re: Guess who's on top? Again...

    Good lord Fiat get it together.
    Hidden Content
    2003 GMC Envoy SLE
    2007 Ford F-150 XL SuperCab (State-issued)
    2014 Dodge Charger Pursuit (State-issued)

  9. #6
    YEH
    YEH is offline
    6.2 Liter LS3 V8
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Posts
    3,805
    Thanks
    63
    Thanked 511 Times in 297 Posts

    Re: Guess who's on top? Again...

    Quote Originally Posted by GMInfidel View Post
    I still don't understand why resale values on the Kias are so low. They build a damn good vehicle! My Optima hybrid has has the fewest (0) visits to the dealer for warranty work than any other vehicle I've owned.
    2 major factors -

    1. Discounts - since resale value is calculated from MSRP and not ATP, discounting will have an adverse effect (think of getting your savings up front).

    2. Perception in the general public lagging - takes longer for general perception to change when it comes to something like autos (quicker to change in consumer electronics; see Samsung which used to be seen as cheapo electronics or household appliances and now is seen as one of the top brands).

  10. The Following User Says Thank You to YEH For This Useful Post:

    Ed753 (06-22-2017)

  11. #7
    R2-D2 Astromech Droid Premium Member Neanderthal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    A sunny cave in Transylvania
    Posts
    34,609
    Thanks
    8,837
    Thanked 7,183 Times in 4,406 Posts
    My Ride
    17 Soul&/01 PT LTD/15 JD130

    Re: Guess who's on top? Again...

    Quote Originally Posted by YEH View Post
    2 major factors -

    1. Discounts - since resale value is calculated from MSRP and not ATP, discounting will have an adverse effect (think of getting your savings up front).

    2. Perception in the general public lagging - takes longer for general perception to change when it comes to something like autos (quicker to change in consumer electronics; see Samsung which used to be seen as cheapo electronics or household appliances and now is seen as one of the top brands).
    GM discounts as much or more than KIA. And have for decades.

    LOTS of KIAs are the base models. Local dealer is LOADED with Optima LX, Forte LX, Soul base, all can be had for a song which is good if you're not making the kind of bucks they pay us at GMI!
    2017 Soul &, Titanium

    The freedom of Speech may be taken away, and, dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep, to the Slaughter. George Washington

    Hidden Content

  12. #8
    6.2 Liter LS9 Supercharged V8 neshapop's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Toronto, ON
    Posts
    5,540
    Thanks
    337
    Thanked 171 Times in 108 Posts
    My Ride
    2019 Honda Civic Touring

    Re: Guess who's on top? Again...

    Wow , Mazda slipped quite low for IQS

  13. #9
    News Contributor BlackGTP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Connecticut
    Posts
    14,377
    Thanks
    6,054
    Thanked 8,491 Times in 4,206 Posts
    My Ride
    2013 Cadillac ATS - Black

    Re: Guess who's on top? Again...

    Two things suprise me on this list. Toyota's average ranking and Kia's top ranking. Unlike Toyota, I don't hate Kia, I am ambivalent about them. However, Kia being on top makes me question the veracity of the data. There are brands, such as Porsche and Lexus, that have been perfecting their manufacturing process for decades to garner top spots. Then out of nowhere comes Kia. Impossible? No. But it does make me question the data. And very odd that Toyota, who has developed a reputation of "defect free" is now mid-pack.

  14. #10
    2.4 Liter SIDI ECOTEC
    Join Date
    May 2017
    Posts
    402
    Thanks
    16
    Thanked 319 Times in 155 Posts

    Re: Guess who's on top? Again...

    Why is Cadillac below average?

  15. #11
    Chevrolet VOLT eaton53's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    10,727
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 3,390 Times in 1,845 Posts
    My Ride
    1989 Merkur XR4Ti

    Re: Guess who's on top? Again...

    The difference between #1 & #25 is insignificant.
    Land Rover, Jaguar and Fiat at the bottom. So shocking.
    Too bad for them that Tesla's not on the list to make 'em look better.
    Last edited by eaton53; 06-22-2017 at 09:31 AM.
    1989 Merkur XR4Ti
    2014 Carlisle Ford Nationals - Merkur Club of America Preservation Award


    2015 Cadillac XTS Platinum... Princess Buttercup IV
    2015 Chevy Cruze Diesel... Many thanks to VW for making this deal possible.

  16. The Following User Says Thank You to eaton53 For This Useful Post:

    AMERICA 123 (06-22-2017)

  17. #12
    6.0 Liter L76 V8
    Join Date
    Jun 2016
    Posts
    2,273
    Thanks
    611
    Thanked 1,148 Times in 706 Posts
    My Ride
    2019 F150 XLT FX4 Crew Magma

    Re: Guess who's on top? Again...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mingo View Post
    Why is Cadillac below average?
    Because they have More Warranty Related problems the first year than Average.

    The scary part is that they are on par with Dodge now.

  18. #13
    emh
    emh is offline
    7.0 Liter LS7 V8 emh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    4,595
    Thanks
    352
    Thanked 1,110 Times in 597 Posts

    Re: Guess who's on top? Again...

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    Two things suprise me on this list. Toyota's average ranking and Kia's top ranking. Unlike Toyota, I don't hate Kia, I am ambivalent about them. However, Kia being on top makes me question the veracity of the data. There are brands, such as Porsche and Lexus, that have been perfecting their manufacturing process for decades to garner top spots. Then out of nowhere comes Kia. Impossible? No. But it does make me question the data. And very odd that Toyota, who has developed a reputation of "defect free" is now mid-pack.
    Porsche, Lexus etc. still dominate the longer-term dependability studies.

    Initial quality (what this measures) is just for the first 90 days. It's not entirely meaningless but pretty close.
    "The irony of the Information Age is that it has given new respectability to uninformed opinion" -- John Lawton

  19. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to emh For This Useful Post:

    BlackGTP (06-22-2017),richmond2000 (06-22-2017)

  20. #14
    6.2 Liter LS9 Supercharged V8 richmond2000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Winterpeg
    Posts
    8,923
    Thanks
    10,373
    Thanked 1,805 Times in 1,289 Posts
    My Ride
    2014 RAM 1500 HEMI

    Re: Guess who's on top? Again...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mingo View Post
    Why is Cadillac below average?
    if I recall this one includes stuff like CUE not working as EXPECTED and DOES include squeaks and raddles and someone buying an expensive care is LESS likely to "let it slide" VS someone buying a KIA

    this is NOT ranking "mechanical failures" only

  21. The Following User Says Thank You to richmond2000 For This Useful Post:

    emh (06-22-2017)

  22. #15
    Corvette C7 AMERICA 123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    15,633
    Thanks
    7,951
    Thanked 1,575 Times in 1,094 Posts
    My Ride
    The Toyota Rat Catcher

    Re: Guess who's on top? Again...

    Quote Originally Posted by supraracer View Post
    Surprising list
    In so so ..... many ways ......


    It would seem that 'the Relentless Pursuit of Cost Cutting' is certainly paying off.....
    Last edited by AMERICA 123; 06-22-2017 at 12:57 PM.
    "From tech stocks to high gas prices, Goldman Sachs has engineered every major market manipulation since the Great Depression — and they're about to do it again."
    "The world's most powerful investment bank is a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money."
    "If America is circling the drain, Goldman Sachs has found a way to be that drain — " Matt Taibbi

  23. Remove Advertisements
    GM Inside News
    Advertisements
     

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v4.1.2