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    Fixing Acura

    Back when they first came out, Acura made some really nice, cutting edge vehicles. The Legend and Legend Coupe were great vehicles, the RSX and NSX were fun, sporty, and sexy, and the first TL was a great car too. Today, Acura is like an even more boring Buick. If I had the chance to turn them around, all designs would be influenced by the new NSX and the Legend, and the damn beak would be gone. I think Acura has the cache to compete with Audi if marketed and priced properly.
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    All vehicles will keep Acura's "Advanced," "Technology," and "Premium" packages, but I will also add a "Legend Series" which gives you BMW Individual/Mercedes Designo type options, but not as bespoke to keep costs down. Legend Series vehicles will be individually numbered with limited production and give customers at-home delivery.

    To play into their most historical nameplate, I would also change the tagline to "What legends are made of..."

    Cars
    ILX
    $27,995 - $50,995

    I don't feel like thinking hard enough about how to fix Acura's name scheme, so the ILX would be the full-fledged A3 competitor. For the base engine, I would pair the current 2.0L with a hybrid set-up that would give it an output of 200/220 and 45+ mpg combined. For the step-up engine, I'd modernize the 2.2L from the old Honda S2000 still paired to the hybrid system rated at 260/280 and 40+ mpg combined and call it the "Type-S." For the S3 competitor, add a turbocharger to the 2.2L, call it the "Type-R," and give it 310/325 and 35+ mpg. SH-AWD will be standard on all Type-S and Type-R models, and Type-R models will get the Sport Hybrid SH-AWD and the PAWS systems from the RLX and NSX.

    CLX
    $31,995 - $59,995

    The resurrection of the CLX nameplate will be applied to the A4 fighter. Start with the 2.2L hybrid ILX in standard form 260/280, the 2.2T in Type-S application (310/325), and the 3.5L V6 paired to the hybrid system as in the RLX for the Type-R rated around 380/410 and 30+ mpg combined.

    TLX
    $39,995 - $72,995

    A6 on a budget. Start with the 2.2T (310/325), move up to the 3.5L V6 in Type-S, and a pedestrian version of the 2.8T racing engine paired to the hybrid system to make 500/550 in Type-R and 25+ mpg combined.

    GLX
    $61,995 - $110,995

    I don't know why I would call it the GLX, but I don't know where any of these letters came from, so who cares. The RLX is dead with this one. I know most of you probably barfed at the thought of spending 100 grand on an Acura, but for the size, features and powertrains, it will still be a budget. All models will come with Sport Hybrid SH-AWD and the PAWS system standard. Base packages will have the 3.5L V6 (380/410), Type-S will be the 2.8T (500/550), and Type-R will be will be Honda/Acura's first ever V8 engine composed of two 2.2L 4 bangers making a 4.4L displacement, turbocharged, paired to the hybrid system, and making 600/620 output and 20+ mpg combined.

    SUVs
    *None of the SUVs will come with a Type-R variant*

    ADX
    $30,995-$48,995

    ILX crossover...

    RDX
    $35,995 - $53,995

    A new, better looking RDX...

    MDX
    $44,995 - $68,995

    A new, better looking MDX...

    LDX
    $64,995 - $115,995

    An XC90/Q9 (coming soon) competitor based on the GLX. GLX and LDX will both have executive seating options available for all packages.

    Coupes/Sports Cars
    RSX
    $34,995 - $69,995

    The RSX will return as an Audi TT competitor. Powertrains will be lifted from the CLX, and SH-AWD will be standard across the board. 2 + 2 hatchback configuration or 2 seat convertible to allow for a bigger trunk.

    NSX
    $98,995 - $142,995

    Just like the concept except that the base will feature the 3.5L V6 (380/410), the Type-S will feature the 2.8T V6 (500/550), and the Type-R will feature the 4.4L V8 (600/620). Way more expensive than the GLX because, of course, it will be mid-engined and much more rare.
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    That's it. Where's my job?! I can fix them up real quick!
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    Re: Fixing Acura

    Not my cup of tea of a brand. Honda's are totally boring, their only claim to fame was V-tech and that is old school now

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    Quote Originally Posted by mchicha View Post
    Not my cup of tea of a brand. Honda's are totally boring, their only claim to fame was V-tech and that is old school now
    There was a time when Honda actually made engaging and dynamic vehicles. That time is not at the present.

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    Agreed, but with dramatic styling and a lineup made of entirely hybrid powertrains, they could cause a stir.

    Design wise, it should be something like this: Audi-Divine-DS_Concept-2014-017-800.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by mchicha View Post
    Not my cup of tea of a brand. Honda's are totally boring, their only claim to fame was V-tech and that is old school now
    Actually Honda's claim to fame was building reliable, high quality vehicles that didn't fall apart after 100k miles or didn't need thousands spent on maintenance. Honda today still builds fine cars, though certainly not as engaging as they once were. Not only that, Honda was a innovator on suspension parts using the Double Wishbone suspension on almost all their cars ranging from Civic, Prelude and Accord. Now they have switched back to struts which most people don't notice. I prefer the DW setup though.

    Honda still builds a fantastic V6 that's smooth as butter and are pretty reliable. The transmission issues have been fixed and they are fixing most of the product line. When non car people ask me what they should buy, I still steer them towards a Honda or Toyota. In my experience, they hold up better than the American cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNewStandard View Post
    Back when they first came out, Acura made some really nice, cutting edge vehicles. The Legend and Legend Coupe were great vehicles, the RSX and NSX were fun, sporty, and sexy, and the first TL was a great car too. Today, Acura is like an even more boring Buick. If I had the chance to turn them around, all designs would be influenced by the new NSX and the Legend, and the damn beak would be gone. I think Acura has the cache to compete with Audi if marketed and priced properly.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    All vehicles will keep Acura's "Advanced," "Technology," and "Premium" packages, but I will also add a "Legend Series" which gives you BMW Individual/Mercedes Designo type options, but not as bespoke to keep costs down. Legend Series vehicles will be individually numbered with limited production and give customers at-home delivery.

    To play into their most historical nameplate, I would also change the tagline to "What legends are made of..."

    Cars
    ILX
    $27,995 - $50,995

    I don't feel like thinking hard enough about how to fix Acura's name scheme, so the ILX would be the full-fledged A3 competitor. For the base engine, I would pair the current 2.0L with a hybrid set-up that would give it an output of 200/220 and 45+ mpg combined. For the step-up engine, I'd modernize the 2.2L from the old Honda S2000 still paired to the hybrid system rated at 260/280 and 40+ mpg combined and call it the "Type-S." For the S3 competitor, add a turbocharger to the 2.2L, call it the "Type-R," and give it 310/325 and 35+ mpg. SH-AWD will be standard on all Type-S and Type-R models, and Type-R models will get the Sport Hybrid SH-AWD and the PAWS systems from the RLX and NSX.

    CLX
    $31,995 - $59,995

    The resurrection of the CLX nameplate will be applied to the A4 fighter. Start with the 2.2L hybrid ILX in standard form 260/280, the 2.2T in Type-S application (310/325), and the 3.5L V6 paired to the hybrid system as in the RLX for the Type-R rated around 380/410 and 30+ mpg combined.

    TLX
    $39,995 - $72,995

    A6 on a budget. Start with the 2.2T (310/325), move up to the 3.5L V6 in Type-S, and a pedestrian version of the 2.8T racing engine paired to the hybrid system to make 500/550 in Type-R and 25+ mpg combined.

    GLX
    $61,995 - $110,995

    I don't know why I would call it the GLX, but I don't know where any of these letters came from, so who cares. The RLX is dead with this one. I know most of you probably barfed at the thought of spending 100 grand on an Acura, but for the size, features and powertrains, it will still be a budget. All models will come with Sport Hybrid SH-AWD and the PAWS system standard. Base packages will have the 3.5L V6 (380/410), Type-S will be the 2.8T (500/550), and Type-R will be will be Honda/Acura's first ever V8 engine composed of two 2.2L 4 bangers making a 4.4L displacement, turbocharged, paired to the hybrid system, and making 600/620 output and 20+ mpg combined.

    SUVs
    *None of the SUVs will come with a Type-R variant*

    ADX
    $30,995-$48,995

    ILX crossover...

    RDX
    $35,995 - $53,995

    A new, better looking RDX...

    MDX
    $44,995 - $68,995

    A new, better looking MDX...

    LDX
    $64,995 - $115,995

    An XC90/Q9 (coming soon) competitor based on the GLX. GLX and LDX will both have executive seating options available for all packages.

    Coupes/Sports Cars
    RSX
    $34,995 - $69,995

    The RSX will return as an Audi TT competitor. Powertrains will be lifted from the CLX, and SH-AWD will be standard across the board. 2 + 2 hatchback configuration or 2 seat convertible to allow for a bigger trunk.

    NSX
    $98,995 - $142,995

    Just like the concept except that the base will feature the 3.5L V6 (380/410), the Type-S will feature the 2.8T V6 (500/550), and the Type-R will feature the 4.4L V8 (600/620). Way more expensive than the GLX because, of course, it will be mid-engined and much more rare.
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    That's it. Where's my job?! I can fix them up real quick!
    Sounds good from a model lineup, I don't care about powertrains. I don't think hybrid-only is the way to go, but a hybrid-heavy lineup would be a good setup. I would position them somewhere between a Buick and a BMW in terms of price.

    Design can stay the same, people who don't like it can pound salt and drive Lincolns.

    Keep RLX, not GLX. That's pointless. RSX wouldn't be a TT competitor to me, it'd position it as a kind of 4-series competitor, but as the same hatch as the first one.

    Doesn't matter what they charge, though, if they don't straighten out their lease programs. I actually like some of Acura's stuff, but they lease terribly.

    Quote Originally Posted by ryannel2003 View Post
    When non car people ask me what they should buy, I still steer them towards a Honda or Toyota. In my experience, they hold up better than the American cars.
    Don't tell GMI.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_General_Motors_recall

    Some neanderthal is still going to pull some bull**** number out of his ass to try to wave around trying to defend GM or Ford or better yet, attack the Japanese automakers.

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    Re: Fixing Acura

    Basically this is what I think Acura should do for the rest of this decade. Sadly, essentially every product they sell was just redesigned so there's not a whole lot that can be done for some years.

    ILX - Update for 2016. Updated exterior such as new wheels, LED light tubes for the taillights, and LED driving lights. The interior receives notable styling and material upgrades, with updated technology. The 1.5T replaces the 2.0L, the Type-S (2.0T) replaces the 2.4L at additional cost. The Accord Hybrid’s technology is paired with a 1.5L and direct-drive transmission. The 1.5T and 2.0T use the 8TC or 9AT and the 2.0T continues to offer the 6MT.
    $27,000 1.5T 1.5T I-4, 200 hp/200 lb-ft 8TC
    $30,000 Hybrid 1.5H I-4, 200 horsepower 1DD
    $31,000 Type-S 2.0T I-4, 270 hp/270 lb-ft 9AT

    TLX - Update for 2018. Updated styling and technology.
    $31,000 2.4 2.4L I-4, 206 hp/177 lb-ft 8TC
    $35,000 2.0T 2.0T I-4, 270 hp/270 lb-ft 9AT
    $35,000 Hybrid 2.0H I-4, 200 horsepower 1DD
    $43,000 A-Spec 2.0TH I-4, 350 hp/350lb-ft 9AT

    RLX - Update for 2017. Updated styling and technology.
    $45,000 Hybrid 2.0H I-4, 200 horsepower 1DD
    $48,000 V-6 3.5L V-6, 310 hp/260 lb-ft 9AT
    $60,000 A-Spec 3.5H V-6, 377 horsepower 7TC

    Legend - Based on a new RWD platform. Designed to look much like a NSX sedan. It introduces the next generation of Acura’s styling language and the new era of Acura, with Acura-specific platform and engines. It replaces the RLX and the platform can be used for a new TLX in the future as well. Although Acura does not use real names anymore I feel like they could drum up further interest and discussion by bringing back (and hyping it to no end) the Legend nameplate. This platform can be the basis for some other Acura products to spread costs.
    $45,000 Hybrid 2.0H I-4, 200 horsepower 7TC
    $50,000 Sport Hybrid 3.5H V-6, 377 horsepower 7TC
    $60,000 A-Spec 3.5TTH V-6, 450 horsepower 7TC

    JDX - New for 2016, based on Honda HR-V. Uses SH-AWD instead of standard AWD. A hybrid version could follow if initial sales are sufficiently strong.
    $30,000 Turbo 1.5T I-4, 200 hp/200 lb-ft 9AT
    $34,000 Type-S 2.0T I-4, 270 hp/270 lb-ft 9AT

    RDX - Update for 2016. Updated styling and technology while attempting to allow RDX to reach further upmarket with upscale engine and equipment groups, such as the Advance Package. Redesign for 2018 that’s more upscale than the current version.
    $35,000 2.0T 2.0T I-4, 270 hp/270 lb-ft 9AT
    $39,000 3.5 3.5L V-6, 310 hp/260 lb-ft 9AT

    MDX - Update for 2017. Prior to that, offer the Sport Hybrid equipment on the MDX. The 2.0T is a temporary offering meant to maintain the MDX’s pricing while it moves upmarket to make room for the RDX to move further upscale in future generations. When the next RDX is introduced the 2.0T can be dropped.
    $42,000 2.0T 2.0T I-4, 270 hp/270 lb-ft 9AT
    $45,000 3.5 3.5L V-6, 310 hp/260 lb-ft 9AT
    $53,000 Sport Hybrid 3.5H V-6, 377 horsepower 7TC

    NSX - New for 2016.
    $100,000 - 3.7TTH V-6, 600 hp/600 lb-ft 7TC
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryannel2003 View Post
    Actually Honda's claim to fame was building reliable, high quality vehicles that didn't fall apart after 100k miles or didn't need thousands spent on maintenance. Honda today still builds fine cars, though certainly not as engaging as they once were. Not only that, Honda was a innovator on suspension parts using the Double Wishbone suspension on almost all their cars ranging from Civic, Prelude and Accord. Now they have switched back to struts which most people don't notice. I prefer the DW setup though.

    Honda still builds a fantastic V6 that's smooth as butter and are pretty reliable. The transmission issues have been fixed and they are fixing most of the product line. When non car people ask me what they should buy, I still steer them towards a Honda or Toyota. In my experience, they hold up better than the American cars.
    That was the cool aid. When I moved from Africa, I could not believe the honor with which Honda's were held by americans.. in bad roads, they fall apart like paper mache.. no, but no thanks

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    ...the damn beak would be gone...
    Quote Originally Posted by Amphibian
    ...Sadly, essentially every product they sell was just redesigned so there's not a whole lot that can be done for some years...
    ...All vehicles will keep Acura's "Advanced," "Technology," and "Premium" packages, but I will also add a "Legend Series" which gives you BMW Individual/Mercedes Designo type options, but not as bespoke to keep costs down. Legend Series vehicles will be individually numbered with limited production and give customers at-home delivery...

    ...I don't feel like thinking hard enough about how to...
    can we get some jailtime for those responsible for it?
    ...[ & grilles along with plastic bumper-piece-thingies, even hoods & trunklids
    AFAIK are relatinely cheap to change ]...

    Love the Legend series!
    numbering might work...

    I've been sold on the idea of Vitual-Awd (aka 'thru-the-road') for a long time
    so
    I'd have them spread it from the RLX & NSX to Every model &
    (imho)
    develop variants so ALL their drivetrains would eventually be variously-electrified (not nec. w/ batteries)
    AND at least antislip-Awd

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    Not a bad lineup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sfbreh View Post
    Sounds good from a model lineup, I don't care about powertrains. I don't think hybrid-only is the way to go, but a hybrid-heavy lineup would be a good setup. I would position them somewhere between a Buick and a BMW in terms of price.

    Design can stay the same, people who don't like it can pound salt and drive Lincolns.

    Keep RLX, not GLX. That's pointless. RSX wouldn't be a TT competitor to me, it'd position it as a kind of 4-series competitor, but as the same hatch as the first one.

    Doesn't matter what they charge, though, if they don't straighten out their lease programs. I actually like some of Acura's stuff, but they lease terribly.



    Don't tell GMI.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_General_Motors_recall

    Some neanderthal is still going to pull some bull**** number out of his ass to try to wave around trying to defend GM or Ford or better yet, attack the Japanese automakers.
    Have you heard about Takata airbags and Honda and the deaths associated with the issue. Of course not, everyone is more than happy to kill GM first. Not defending GM, just making a point.
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    Acura had their shot. They were in a nice position in the 90s but they became too complacent and drifted away. Honda simply is too conservative of a company to do anything special with Acura. They aren't going to mess with their balance sheet.

    The thing is, Honda can be an innovative company. They have the capability to produce great technology and even create outstanding performance vehicles but they won't.

    I even find the NSX to be stupid at this point. Its a premature attempt at a halo affect because they have nothing in the showrooms to back it up. The NSX is so divergent from the rest of their portfolio in terms of price and engineering that it won't embellish their brand. Selling a world class, exotic, mid-engine hybrid supercar for 100K+ next to a "flagship" sedan built off a FWD Honda Accord for 45K is moronic.

    I want to like Acura but they'll never be anything. Screw them.

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    Re: Fixing Acura

    Quote Originally Posted by sfbreh View Post
    Keep RLX, not GLX. That's pointless. RSX wouldn't be a TT competitor to me, it'd position it as a kind of 4-series competitor, but as the same hatch as the first one.
    Yea, I just think the RLX/RL name is damaged goods. They can sell 500/mo. to save their lives and they're ugly. I would've just called it "The Legend," but while writing it, it looked stupid with all the random letters. I think it should be all names or all letters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNewStandard View Post
    Yea, I just think the RLX/RL name is damaged goods. They can sell 500/mo. to save their lives and they're ugly. I would've just called it "The Legend," but while writing it, it looked stupid with all the random letters. I think it should be all names or all letters.
    Have you seen sales numbers for the RLX? They're still pitiful.

    I agree, Acura does not have a compelling flagship whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LetsRace View Post
    Have you heard about Takata airbags and Honda and the deaths associated with the issue. Of course not, everyone is more than happy to kill GM first. Not defending GM, just making a point.
    Did Honda recall almost 30 million cars? Was it because Honda wanted a cheaper part? Are there, somewhere out there, two Hondas or Acuras that are falling apart because GM wanted cheaper parts? (see: Nick and Envoy4Life's ATS's)

    Quote Originally Posted by CaddyLac10 View Post
    Acura had their shot. They were in a nice position in the 90s but they became too complacent and drifted away. Honda simply is too conservative of a company to do anything special with Acura. They aren't going to mess with their balance sheet.

    The thing is, Honda can be an innovative company. They have the capability to produce great technology and even create outstanding performance vehicles but they won't.

    I even find the NSX to be stupid at this point. Its a premature attempt at a halo affect because they have nothing in the showrooms to back it up. The NSX is so divergent from the rest of their portfolio in terms of price and engineering that it won't embellish their brand. Selling a world class, exotic, mid-engine hybrid supercar for 100K+ next to a "flagship" sedan built off a FWD Honda Accord for 45K is moronic.

    I want to like Acura but they'll never be anything. Screw them.
    Nissan sells a $100,000 car. What's your point?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNewStandard View Post
    Yea, I just think the RLX/RL name is damaged goods. They can sell 500/mo. to save their lives and they're ugly. I would've just called it "The Legend," but while writing it, it looked stupid with all the random letters. I think it should be all names or all letters.
    I think you had it right with your idea for Legend series, I would keep it off of any particular model.

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