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    Toyota delivers a BOF midsize SUV that looks pretty good all while GM, FoMoCo, and Fiatsler have NOTHING along those lines in the USDM.
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    Re: 2014 Toyota 4Runner

    Quote Originally Posted by F14CRAZY View Post
    Toyota delivers a BOF midsize SUV that looks pretty good all while GM, FoMoCo, and Fiatsler have NOTHING along those lines in the USDM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    The 4 runner hasnt cracked 50k since the redesign. Not good for a vehicle that used to be in the 100k. I think its got a little too big for its mission.
    The Grand Cherokee used to sell deep into the 200,000s but hasn't sold like that in many years now, and certainly not since its well received redesign. It's still a hot seller among SUVs and depicts shifting preferences away from more rugged SUVs in terms of sales. Tahoes, 4Runners, alongside others, have faced this problem (we had a topic regarding large sedan sales as well, another affected class). Still, the 4Runner is selling significantly below what its Jeep competitor is moving (it usually does) and I think part of the problem is that the 4Runner is neither advertised that much, not as roomy and comfy as a similarly priced Highlander sitting across the showroom floor, and does not stand out in content or styling, etc. But a properly executed 4Runner could probably sell 50% better, I reckon.

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    Re: 2014 Toyota 4Runner

    Fuel mileage needs to come up about 5mpg hwy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrCritical View Post
    Fuel mileage needs to come up about 5mpg hwy.
    In 4WD trim it gets the same fuel economy as an Enclave, Traverse, Acadia and I don't hear anyone bitching about the fuel economy on those.

    This is one of the primary reasons I want a 4Runner. If I am going to spend 40 large I might as well have a real frame for towing, real 4WD and a real truck. Plus a 4Runner is shorter and would fit better in my tight garage situation and I can still have a third-row seat in a pinch. (I know it is a tight rear third row) Seems like a perfect solution for me. It is 3/4 the price of a similar Tahoe, 3/4 size, 3/4 the capability, 3/4 the cylinders - it works for me.

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    Re: 2014 Toyota 4Runner

    Quote Originally Posted by Amphibian View Post
    The Grand Cherokee used to sell deep into the 200,000s but hasn't sold like that in many years now, and certainly not since its well received redesign. It's still a hot seller among SUVs and depicts shifting preferences away from more rugged SUVs in terms of sales. Tahoes, 4Runners, alongside others, have faced this problem (we had a topic regarding large sedan sales as well, another affected class). Still, the 4Runner is selling significantly below what its Jeep competitor is moving (it usually does) and I think part of the problem is that the 4Runner is neither advertised that much, not as roomy and comfy as a similarly priced Highlander sitting across the showroom floor, and does not stand out in content or styling, etc. But a properly executed 4Runner could probably sell 50% better, I reckon.
    Last two years the GC has sold 124k and 157 k. Far better than less than 50k of the 4Runner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amphibian View Post
    The Grand Cherokee used to sell deep into the 200,000s but hasn't sold like that in many years now, and certainly not since its well received redesign. It's still a hot seller among SUVs and depicts shifting preferences away from more rugged SUVs in terms of sales. Tahoes, 4Runners, alongside others, have faced this problem (we had a topic regarding large sedan sales as well, another affected class). Still, the 4Runner is selling significantly below what its Jeep competitor is moving (it usually does) and I think part of the problem is that the 4Runner is neither advertised that much, not as roomy and comfy as a similarly priced Highlander sitting across the showroom floor, and does not stand out in content or styling, etc. But a properly executed 4Runner could probably sell 50% better, I reckon.
    I'm not sure the 4Runner and Highlander are really "similarly priced", maybe the base models are close in price but a 4runner gets into the $40k range pretty quick while I doubt anyone spends more than $35k on a Highlander. It's probably just as well for Toyota because their profits on the Camry-based, made-in-USA Highlander must be massively more than the Made-in-Japan 4Runner that shares a frame with the Land Cruiser/GX/LX. with the historically high Yen. I think they've just put the 4Runner on the backburner because they can make a lot more money using those frames on Land Cruisers and Lexuses in China and Australia.

    I really like the look of this new 4Runner though, love the agressive front end, although maybe I am biased because I just really like blocky, square Japanese cars in general.

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    Re: 2014 Toyota 4Runner

    Quote Originally Posted by F14CRAZY View Post
    Toyota delivers a BOF midsize SUV that looks pretty good all while GM, FoMoCo, and Fiatsler have NOTHING along those lines in the USDM.
    No, but one of those 3 have built a vehicle that shades this vehicle in every preconceived way...



    You don't need BOF to tow more or to be more capable off road when you have better engineering behind the vehicle from the get-go. Thinking otherwise is not wanting the best.
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    Re: 2014 Toyota 4Runner

    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    Last two years the GC has sold 124k and 157 k. Far better than less than 50k of the 4Runner.
    I mentioned that the GC usually sells significantly below what the 4Runner does, and on top of that neither is selling close to what they did in their heyday.

    Quote Originally Posted by tentacles View Post
    I'm not sure the 4Runner and Highlander are really "similarly priced", maybe the base models are close in price but a 4runner gets into the $40k range pretty quick while I doubt anyone spends more than $35k on a Highlander. It's probably just as well for Toyota because their profits on the Camry-based, made-in-USA Highlander must be massively more than the Made-in-Japan 4Runner that shares a frame with the Land Cruiser/GX/LX. with the historically high Yen. I think they've just put the 4Runner on the backburner because they can make a lot more money using those frames on Land Cruisers and Lexuses in China and Australia.

    I really like the look of this new 4Runner though, love the agressive front end, although maybe I am biased because I just really like blocky, square Japanese cars in general.
    Even if that's true (and it might well be), they still share a similar price. ATPs are another matter altogether.

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    Re: 2014 Toyota 4Runner

    Not a fan. The Nissan Pathfinder always looked better but now it is a CUV or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amphibian View Post
    I mentioned that the GC usually sells significantly below what the 4Runner does, and on top of that neither is selling close to what they did in their heyday.



    Even if that's true (and it might well be), they still share a similar price. ATPs are another matter altogether.
    They don't compete in exactly the same market, the 4Runner use to be available with a V8 but now is only available with the I4 or V6, with tow capability topping out at 4,700lbs. Slightly less but within the same ballpark as the V6 GC or Durango. If you want a V8 tow rig from Toyota you can step up to the Sequoia, which is based on the Tundra and made in the USA so the margins are probably huge. It might be more meaningful to compare 4Runner and Sequoia sales together versus GC and Durango sales.

    You can even get a TRD supercharger kit that takes the Sequoia up to 500+hp while keeping the factory warranty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tentacles View Post
    They don't compete in exactly the same market, the 4Runner use to be available with a V8 but now is only available with the I4 or V6, with tow capability topping out at 4,700lbs. Slightly less but within the same ballpark as the V6 GC or Durango. If you want a V8 tow rig from Toyota you can step up to the Sequoia, which is based on the Tundra and made in the USA so the margins are probably huge. It might be more meaningful to compare 4Runner and Sequoia sales together versus GC and Durango sales.

    You can even get a TRD supercharger kit that takes the Sequoia up to 500+hp while keeping the factory warranty.
    The 4 cylinder model wasn't offered after the 2010 year. Just to clarify.
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    Re: 2014 Toyota 4Runner

    Quote Originally Posted by gm4life08 View Post
    The 4 cylinder model wasn't offered after the 2010 year. Just to clarify.
    Oh. Thanks.

    Anyway I guess I'll walk it back a bit and clarify that I don't mean the Sequoia and GC are direct competitors, just that the 4Runner sales might be declining because other Toyota products are taking over segments of the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tentacles View Post
    They don't compete in exactly the same market, the 4Runner use to be available with a V8 but now is only available with the I4 or V6, with tow capability topping out at 4,700lbs. Slightly less but within the same ballpark as the V6 GC or Durango. If you want a V8 tow rig from Toyota you can step up to the Sequoia, which is based on the Tundra and made in the USA so the margins are probably huge. It might be more meaningful to compare 4Runner and Sequoia sales together versus GC and Durango sales.

    You can even get a TRD supercharger kit that takes the Sequoia up to 500+hp while keeping the factory warranty.
    I still classify them in the now-nearly-dead midsize off-road capable SUV category. It's not like 15 years ago the GC and 4Runner (or Pathfinder, even an Isuzu or two) weren't competitors when the GC offered a V-6 or V-8 and the 4Runner came solely with a V-6.

    Quote Originally Posted by tentacles View Post
    Oh. Thanks.

    Anyway I guess I'll walk it back a bit and clarify that I don't mean the Sequoia and GC are direct competitors, just that the 4Runner sales might be declining because other Toyota products are taking over segments of the market.
    I agree with the this, however. In fact, I think that's exactly what the problem is, if not more the Highlander than the Sequoia (which I suppose gives credibility to GM introducing a large crossover instead of a truck-ish Trailblazer replacement or the new Pathfinder becoming a full-on CUV, for two examples).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tentacles View Post
    Oh. Thanks.

    Anyway I guess I'll walk it back a bit and clarify that I don't mean the Sequoia and GC are direct competitors, just that the 4Runner sales might be declining because other Toyota products are taking over segments of the market.
    Its certainly not the Sequoia taking the sales. The last 3 years it hasnt cracked 14k. In a YEAR. Now, the sales could be going to the Highlander which has gained almost 40k sales a year since 2008 to top out at 121kish in 2012.

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