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    The size and scale the XTS should be...

    The XTS Concept is too small to be a flagship for Cadillac.

    This is the size it should have been;
    and it should also offer at least a DI 4.9 V8 Two-Mode option...

    A few inches wider, several inches longer in the cabin and even more inches in the wheelbase and hood. Then is would have real 'substance' and not look like it just rear ended someone....



    Of course if up to me I would have changed the style of the car too.... real fins too.




    Remember when Cadillacs had style and some real shape.....




    How can people not think the Concept has a freakish wheel to windscreen relationship - worse than most FWD cars.






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    Re: The size and scale the XTS should be...

    I am sorry, but you've turned bland into ugly...

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    Re: The size and scale the XTS should be...

    I like the real version better. It's a nice job but I think the real one is more modern.

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    Re: The size and scale the XTS should be...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bravada View Post
    I am sorry, but you've turned bland into ugly...
    You must really hate RWD proportions, as thats the only real difference between the two. It's the XTS Concept that looks ugly.




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    Re: The size and scale the XTS should be...

    I like the re-placement of the front wheel, but the more upright backlight & flattened roofline is too pedestrian/ slightly awkward, IMO.

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    Re: The size and scale the XTS should be...

    Quote Originally Posted by Suziebob View Post
    I like the real version better. It's a nice job but I think the real one is more modern.
    The design detail is all XTS Concept. The chop uses a traditional 3 box RWD sedan layout which IS more conservative, as it should be, in a flagship model.

    Have you seen the S-Class, 7-Series, Bentley, Maserati etc, they all use a traditional sedan layout. Even the Audi A8 uses it too.

    I'd use more modern lights and design detail than Cadillac have chosen, but I have not added these as it's a size/scale comparison - not a design detail comparison.




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    Re: The size and scale the XTS should be...

    Quote Originally Posted by balthazar View Post
    I like the re-placement of the front wheel, but the more upright backlight & flattened roofline is too pedestrian/ slightly awkward, IMO.
    The roof is flatter because it is several inches longer for more cabin space. If you kept the same arch as the shorter Concept it would look very tall....

    On a large flagship car like this S-Class sized vehicle you need the higher rear roofline for important little things like interior headroom. And you need easy access via a large trunk lid for luggage, not some tiny opening with hockey stick (gooseneck) hinges.

    Luxury at the top end is conservative and practical. These people have a Ferrari or Lambo if they want flamboyant style.


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    Re: The size and scale the XTS should be...

    It was said elsewhere that the Production large sized Cadillac would be longer built on the Epsilon Premium platform, so it will look a little different. I do not believe that a volume selling Cadillac should look like an S Class; they are appealing to very different clients.

    I want to see a Cadillac, and a Mercedes, I will make my choice, based upon my requirements.


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    Re: The size and scale the XTS should be...

    just for those who aren't seeing the freakish wheel to windscreen relationship of the Concept - worse than most FWD cars....







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    Re: The size and scale the XTS should be...

    It isn't freakish, it's an FWD car, they look like that you know.

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    Re: The size and scale the XTS should be...

    I like what you've done with the new proportions, but the doors both look a little too long. Not sure how you can change that with what you did, though. Maybe the back at least could be shortened a bit
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    Re: The size and scale the XTS should be...

    I like the changes. I think they make the concept look more visually imposing. The XTS as designed seems to innocuous.
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    Re: The size and scale the XTS should be...

    Agree 100%. The XTS is too small. It is a mid-size plain and simple. It needs to be ALOT bigger to compete in the large luxury car segment. As a replacement for the STS it is probablly acceptable..but as a DTS replacement it is a fail.

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    Re: The size and scale the XTS should be...

    The XTS isn't too small.

    There's a reason why luxury sedans have long-wheelbase versions available.

    XTS sits in place of the STS.
    XTS-L sits in place of the DTS.
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    Re: The size and scale the XTS should be...

    MonaroSS ~ >>"The roof is flatter because it is several inches longer for more cabin space. If you kept the same arch as the shorter Concept it would look very tall..."<<
    Realized... but there is still room for a long(er) greenhouse with a less-abrupt roof-2-backlight transition. That fluidity there is a large part of what would make the XTS stand out against the generic design of the segment.

    >>"On a large flagship car like this S-Class sized vehicle you need the higher rear roofline for important little things like interior headroom."<<
    An XTS will NEVER made headway if all it does is target the rest of the segment for design parameters (how many times have we all read that sentiment?). One of the key factors it must possess is striking design, something that advances the segment- and the 'blurring' of the typical 3-box look is a great approach.

    >>"And you need easy access via a large trunk lid for luggage, not some tiny opening with hockey stick (gooseneck) hinges."<<
    Trunk needs to be longer, anyway.
    The gooseneck hinges are a puzzle- I've owned MANY cars with these that are far less intrusive & smaller than some of the modern ones. Its not the system, merely the execution. Compromises exist with the strut system too- a narrower opening.
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