More Power? Buick Encore Buyers Donít Want It

  1. Welcome to GM Inside News Forum Ė General discussion forum for GM

    Welcome to GM Inside News Forum - a website dedicated to all things GM.

    You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, at no cost, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, Join GM Inside News Forum today!
     
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 18

Thread: More Power? Buick Encore Buyers Donít Want It

  1. #1
    2.8 Liter Turbocharged V6
    Join Date
    Dec 2017
    Posts
    862
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 37 Times in 33 Posts

    More Power? Buick Encore Buyers Donít Want It

    Buickís smallest model might not be what most TTAC readers want to see in their driveway, but itís nonetheless popular with the American buying public. The subcompact Encore is by far the brandís best-selling vehicle, making up nearly half of Buickís sales volume. Weíll probably see a next-generation model debut later this year or early […]
    The post More Power? Buick Encore Buyers Donít Want It appeared first on GM Inside News.


    More...

  2. Remove Advertisements
    GM Inside News
    Advertisements
     

  3. #2
    News Contributor BlackGTP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Connecticut
    Posts
    13,303
    Thanks
    4,846
    Thanked 7,036 Times in 3,636 Posts
    My Ride
    2013 Cadillac ATS - Black

    Re: More Power? Buick Encore Buyers Donít Want It

    Only $250 and people didn't opt for the additional power? Times really are changing... And makes me think of the XT6 where only the one engine is offered....

  4. #3
    3.0 Liter SIDI V6 CMiatso DaBang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2019
    Posts
    640
    Thanks
    260
    Thanked 636 Times in 294 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    Only $250 and people didn't opt for the additional power? Times really are changing... And makes me think of the XT6 where only the one engine is offered....
    U gotta remember the people who are buying these vehicles. Again.. Women. Very often the power in the regular vehicle is not only adequate, but on point for their needs. Every car does not have to be a race car.
    Last edited by CMiatso DaBang; 05-25-2019 at 10:53 AM.
    My current crop is 2016 CTSV Fully loaded, 2016 Corvette Z06 3LT fully loaded, 2015 GMC Yukon SLT Fully loaded, 2014 Impala LTZ, fully loaded, 2011 Chevy Cruze (kid's) LTZ, fully loaded, 1966 Chevy Impala SS 396 4spd Muncie 3.73 gears. Hidden Content

  5. The Following User Says Thank You to CMiatso DaBang For This Useful Post:

    megeebee (05-25-2019)

  6. Remove Advertisements
    GM Inside News
    Advertisements
     

  7. #4
    6.2 Liter LS9 Supercharged V8
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    St. George, Ut.
    Posts
    8,081
    Thanks
    9,802
    Thanked 2,621 Times in 1,725 Posts
    My Ride
    2016 Nissan Rogue SV AWD

    Re: More Power? Buick Encore Buyers Donít Want It

    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    U gotta remember the people who are buying these vehicles. Again.. Women. Very often the power in the regular vehicle is not only adequate, but on point for their needs. Every car does not have to be a race car.
    I suspect you are right. Budget and fuel economy probably play in there too even though the differences aren't that significant.

  8. #5
    5.3 Liter Vortec V8 dannyg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Empire State, USA
    Posts
    1,399
    Thanks
    1,068
    Thanked 736 Times in 428 Posts
    My Ride
    2015 Sonic

    Re: More Power? Buick Encore Buyers Donít Want It

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    Only $250 and people didn't opt for the additional power? Times really are changing... And makes me think of the XT6 where only the one engine is offered....

    Only one engine/tranny on Ranger. Only one on 2020 Sonic (they dropped the manual). Sounds like a depressing trend.
    Current ride: 2015 Chevy Sonic 1.8L 5sp manual sedan
    Previous ride: 1998 Subaru Legacy Wagon AWD 2.2L 5sp manual
    Next ride: Maybe a 2020 2.0T CT4, weekend car, keep the Sonic as DD

  9. #6
    6.2 Liter LS3 V8 ral1960's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    NC
    Posts
    3,297
    Thanks
    46
    Thanked 328 Times in 193 Posts
    My Ride
    2008 DTS Perf-Plat

    Re: More Power? Buick Encore Buyers Donít Want It

    I was looking at specs for previous years, and there was something that made it undesirable for me--probably bigger wheels or leather seats in the upper trims, or premium fuel. I wish they'd go back to the old days when you could usually get the better engine as a stand alone option (as were most options). I just don't want a stiffer ride or uncooled leather under my hot butt.

    Wonder what percentage of sales are the higher trims. 12% sounds significant to me, since they make more money (or lose less) on those versions. GM may be restricting options like this because their stupid dealers are just ordering what has sold before, not what they could sell if they had them available for test driving. That's already ruined color choices IMO.

    I'm curious also about how many cars are special ordered these days. I thought that was normal for years because my father usually did and I did twice in the 80's.
    Last edited by ral1960; 05-25-2019 at 11:21 AM.

  10. #7
    Walking
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Posts
    6
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post

    Re: More Power? Buick Encore Buyers Donít Want It

    They killed the wrong 1.4.

    The LUV 1.4 standard motor is the same hot garbage from the 2011-2016 Cruze. Anyone that buys one better start an "engine regular maintenance" fund for a turbo, valve cover, water pump, thermostat, water outlet and hose, coil pack and more, and plan for at least one or more failure of most of those parts.

  11. #8
    3.0 Liter SIDI V6
    Join Date
    Mar 2018
    Posts
    510
    Thanks
    293
    Thanked 277 Times in 172 Posts
    My Ride
    CTS-Vagon/11/BD Vette/16/blk

    Re: More Power? Buick Encore Buyers Donít Want It

    Quote Originally Posted by ral1960 View Post
    I was looking at specs for previous years, and there was something that made it undesirable for me--probably bigger wheels or leather seats in the upper trims, or premium fuel. I wish they'd go back to the old days when you could usually get the better engine as a stand alone option (as were most options). I just don't want a stiffer ride or uncooled leather under my hot butt.

    Wonder what percentage of sales are the higher trims. 12% sounds significant to me, since they make more money (or lose less) on those versions. GM may be restricting options like this because their stupid dealers are just ordering what has sold before, not what they could sell if they had them available for test driving. That's already ruined color choices IMO.

    I'm curious also about how many cars are special ordered these days. I thought that was normal for years because my father usually did and I did twice in the 80's.
    I think special order is rare these days. Price... You will likely pay MSRP for a special. Worse, incentives are set at delivery time. So if there was 5K incentive when you ordered and none when delivered, you get none. The Japanese started the package trend. It again helps with price and logistics. I've only special ordered once, my job in LA was with a large defense contractor that got employee pricing on all purchases. This was in the 80's. Not sure if large companies can still get deals like that for employees. It was cool to check the exact boxes I wanted. I recall deleting the radio on a very loaded Monte Carlo CL as I knew I was going after market. Kept it for 10 years.

  12. #9
    1.4 Liter Turbocharged ECOTEC
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    St. Louis, MO
    Posts
    90
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 9 Times in 6 Posts
    My Ride
    2015 Buick Verano Turbo

    Re: More Power? Buick Encore Buyers Donít Want It

    I agree with CM and 1958 but I also wonder how many buyers knew about an optional engine? I get the impression Buick didn't go out of its way to advertise the other 1.4L's existence. Most customers aren't enthusiasts yet I'd imagine some of the husbands/fiancťs/boyfriends of these buyers would have received a little more enjoyment driving their other half's roller skate if it had the uprated engine under the hood.

  13. The Following User Says Thank You to Tethys For This Useful Post:

    1958carnut (05-25-2019)

  14. #10
    6.2 Liter LS3 V8 ral1960's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    NC
    Posts
    3,297
    Thanks
    46
    Thanked 328 Times in 193 Posts
    My Ride
    2008 DTS Perf-Plat

    Re: More Power? Buick Encore Buyers Donít Want It

    Quote Originally Posted by Vagon11 View Post
    I think special order is rare these days. Price... You will likely pay MSRP for a special. Worse, incentives are set at delivery time. So if there was 5K incentive when you ordered and none when delivered, you get none.
    I used a buying service that reduced the price without haggling to a few hundred over invoice (allegedly), but that was 30 years ago. The salesman for both Pontiacs also pointed me to a backstreet Salvadorian restaurant in Arlington, VA, that my coworkers and I frequented for years. In the 90's in NC, they drove up an Intrigue like I wanted from another dealer in SC.

  15. #11
    Corvette C7 bballr4567's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Evansville, IN
    Posts
    16,940
    Thanks
    2,010
    Thanked 3,937 Times in 2,270 Posts
    My Ride
    2016 Camaro 1LT V6 M6

    Re: More Power? Buick Encore Buyers Donít Want It

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    Only $250 and people didn't opt for the additional power? Times really are changing... And makes me think of the XT6 where only the one engine is offered....
    I bet that dealers never ordered it either.

  16. #12
    3.6 Liter SIDI V6
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Wash DC Area
    Posts
    1,234
    Thanks
    116
    Thanked 138 Times in 84 Posts

    Re: More Power? Buick Encore Buyers Donít Want It

    A lot of Encore owners were unhappy with the stop-start technology on the more powerful engine according to comments on the Encore forum. One person said it ruined the car for him and he was really sorry he upgraded it.
    Barry
    '04 Nocturne Blue Saab 9-3 2.0T, 1997 Catera (11/96 - 6/13)
    '13 Black Diamond / Black Regal T

  17. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Dovetonsils For This Useful Post:

    1958carnut (05-25-2019),dannyg (05-26-2019)

  18. #13
    6.2 Liter LS3 V8 ral1960's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    NC
    Posts
    3,297
    Thanks
    46
    Thanked 328 Times in 193 Posts
    My Ride
    2008 DTS Perf-Plat

    Re: More Power? Buick Encore Buyers Donít Want It

    Thanks for reminding me, it was the start-stop that was a no-go for me.
    Last edited by ral1960; 05-25-2019 at 08:23 PM.

  19. The Following User Says Thank You to ral1960 For This Useful Post:

    1958carnut (05-25-2019)

  20. #14
    2.4 Liter SIDI ECOTEC
    Join Date
    Mar 2018
    Location
    Germany
    Posts
    119
    Thanks
    29
    Thanked 37 Times in 27 Posts
    My Ride
    Opel Corsa GSI

    Re: More Power? Buick Encore Buyers Donít Want It

    Quote Originally Posted by ral1960 View Post
    I was looking at specs for previous years, and there was something that made it undesirable for me--probably bigger wheels or leather seats in the upper trims, or premium fuel. I wish they'd go back to the old days when you could usually get the better engine as a stand alone option (as were most options). I just don't want a stiffer ride or uncooled leather under my hot butt.

    Wonder what percentage of sales are the higher trims. 12% sounds significant to me, since they make more money (or lose less) on those versions. GM may be restricting options like this because their stupid dealers are just ordering what has sold before, not what they could sell if they had them available for test driving. That's already ruined color choices IMO.

    I'm curious also about how many cars are special ordered these days. I thought that was normal for years because my father usually did and I did twice in the 80's.
    12% sounds low. The take rate for the identical car in Europe for both top trim-levels Innovation and Ultimate is way higher, around 59% for the Innovation alone. Only 3% choose the base trim-level.

  21. #15
    2.4 Liter SIDI ECOTEC
    Join Date
    Mar 2018
    Location
    Germany
    Posts
    119
    Thanks
    29
    Thanked 37 Times in 27 Posts
    My Ride
    Opel Corsa GSI

    Re: More Power? Buick Encore Buyers Donít Want It

    Quote Originally Posted by ral1960 View Post
    I was looking at specs for previous years, and there was something that made it undesirable for me--probably bigger wheels or leather seats in the upper trims, or premium fuel. I wish they'd go back to the old days when you could usually get the better engine as a stand alone option (as were most options). I just don't want a stiffer ride or uncooled leather under my hot butt.

    Wonder what percentage of sales are the higher trims. 12% sounds significant to me, since they make more money (or lose less) on those versions. GM may be restricting options like this because their stupid dealers are just ordering what has sold before, not what they could sell if they had them available for test driving. That's already ruined color choices IMO.

    I'm curious also about how many cars are special ordered these days. I thought that was normal for years because my father usually did and I did twice in the 80's.
    12% sounds low. The take rate for the identical car in Europe for both top trim-levels Innovation and Ultimate is way higher, around 59% for the Innovation alone. Only 3% choose the base trim-level.

  22. Remove Advertisements
    GM Inside News
    Advertisements
     

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Buick Unveils 2020 Encore and Encore GX in Shanghai
    By Envoy4Life in forum Global Buick News
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: 05-09-2019, 10:26 PM
  2. Replies: 14
    Last Post: 04-03-2019, 01:57 PM
  3. Buick Thinks Diesel, Wants More Power for Popular Encore
    By ne_one in forum Global Buick News
    Replies: 80
    Last Post: 11-04-2013, 09:22 AM
  4. Buyers Do Want Electric Cars, But Don't Want To Pay More
    By ne_one in forum Automotive Industry & GM News
    Replies: 26
    Last Post: 09-23-2010, 01:18 PM
  5. Saturn buyers 22 times more likely to default on loan than Toyota buyers
    By starlightmica in forum GM Heritage Discussion
    Replies: 74
    Last Post: 08-15-2007, 06:31 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v4.1.2