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    California Moves to Ban Sale of New Gas Cars by 2035

    California Governor Gavin Newsom has signed an executive order that will ban the sale of new cars that are gasoline-powered, beginning in the year 2035. “This is the most impactful step our state can take to fight climate change,” Newsom said in a statement. “For too many decades, we have allowed cars to pollute the air that our […]
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    Re: California Moves to Ban Sale of New Gas Cars by 2035

    Yes turn the t-stat up to 80, shut the lights off, unplug the toaster oven, let make all cars which California has the most out of any state on the road today by the way, plug into a grid that has a difficult time just keeping the lights on.

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    Re: California Moves to Ban Sale of New Gas Cars by 2035

    I don't have a problem with it...15 years from now seems reasonable
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    Eventually they will ban "gas" stations from selling gas, ban petrol cars from entering their state, ban..ban..ban..

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    Re: California Moves to Ban Sale of New Gas Cars by 2035

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    I don't have a problem with it...15 years from now seems reasonable
    Same here.. I love my LS powered vehicles, the sounds of a gas powered car, its music to my ears, but we need to accept change is happening and we either need to be a part of the change or get left behind. Just look at the small towns that relied on coal jobs, where are they now? That's the future of the U.S. if we don't embrace change. Add in climate change, regardless of what climate science deniers believe, it is real. I have grandchildren and I hope we are not too late to reverse the damage we are doing to this planet. Future generations deserve to have a safe, clean environment, and that needs to start with us.

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    Re: California Moves to Ban Sale of New Gas Cars by 2035

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    I don't have a problem with it...15 years from now seems reasonable
    15 years is very reasonable, considering all car companies will have a fleet of EV and PHEV by 2025 anyways. Then there's 10 years to get more of those cars on the market prior to the legislation coming in.
    Plus, there are 15 other countries with similar legislation. So, CA is not alone in this.

    The difference is CA has the clout to shift the US auto industry in that direction.
    China has already enacted a ban on new gas cars, with 1/5th of new cars expected to be EV/PHEV by 2025. China has more automotive industry clout these days. And car companies are going to comply.

    But what's key for people to know because most people haven't read the news articles, nor has the media properly covered it — Used gas-only cars are still going to be sold. You can still drive your gas-only car. No one is gonna tell you to get rid of your gas-only car. Only NEW CARS will be affected by the legislation.
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    Re: California Moves to Ban Sale of New Gas Cars by 2035

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Yes turn the t-stat up to 80, shut the lights off, unplug the toaster oven, let make all cars which California has the most out of any state on the road today by the way, plug into a grid that has a difficult time just keeping the lights on.
    While I'm on board with switching to BEV, I think California needs to address their electric grid issues before they issue mandates like this. They issue these mandates, the entire automotive industry spends a fortune gearing up to meet the deadline, then 2035 hits and the California government realizes the grid can't handle the change and pushes off the deadline. Then they wonder why the automotive industry lobbies against laws like this.

    15 years seems like a long time and I'm certain the car manufacturers can meet the deadline, I question California being able to meet the deadline with new energy resources (power plants - be they gas, nuclear, wind or solar) to fortify the grid to handle the new demands of BEV's.

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    Re: California Moves to Ban Sale of New Gas Cars by 2035

    Quote Originally Posted by mgescuro View Post
    15 years is very reasonable, considering all car companies will have a fleet of EV and PHEV by 2025 anyways. Then there's 10 years to get more of those cars on the market prior to the legislation coming in.
    Plus, there are 15 other countries with similar legislation. So, CA is not alone in this.

    The difference is CA has the clout to shift the US auto industry in that direction.
    China has already enacted a ban on new gas cars, with 1/5th of new cars expected to be EV/PHEV by 2025. China has more automotive industry clout these days. And car companies are going to comply.

    But what's key for people to know because most people haven't read the news articles, nor has the media properly covered it — Used gas-only cars are still going to be sold. You can still drive your gas-only car. No one is gonna tell you to get rid of your gas-only car. Only NEW CARS will be affected by the legislation.
    China. The country thats building dozens and dozens of new coal fired power plants to power its electrical grid.

    Cars are much cleaner then coal fired power plants, and China controls much of the rare earth elements needed for batteries, so theere is a huge financial, not environmental, reason for them to push electric cars.

    I view this as another scam.
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    Re: California Moves to Ban Sale of New Gas Cars by 2035

    Quote Originally Posted by 61BelAir View Post
    Same here.. I love my LS powered vehicles, the sounds of a gas powered car, its music to my ears, but we need to accept change is happening and we either need to be a part of the change or get left behind. Just look at the small towns that relied on coal jobs, where are they now? That's the future of the U.S. if we don't embrace change. Add in climate change, regardless of what climate science deniers believe, it is real. I have grandchildren and I hope we are not too late to reverse the damage we are doing to this planet. Future generations deserve to have a safe, clean environment, and that needs to start with us.
    Ehhhh.....we were told in 2018 the �� only had 12 years to stop climate change (aka global warming)

    By my math we now only have 10 but banning the sale of new gas powered cars in 1 of 49 states 15 years from now is going to do something?

    Climate change is real. If you want to pretend that 80% or 90% of it is man-made, then thats your right but its not following the science.
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    Re: California Moves to Ban Sale of New Gas Cars by 2035

    Quote Originally Posted by jzchev28 View Post
    Eventually they will ban "gas" stations from selling gas, ban petrol cars from entering their state, ban..ban..ban..
    And then wonder why their population is leaving in droves and they continue to have mounting problems and the like. I feel it is going to be a rough road ahead in fits and spurts 'til we finally get to that all electric society "dream".
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    Re: California Moves to Ban Sale of New Gas Cars by 2035

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    While I'm on board with switching to BEV, I think California needs to address their electric grid issues before they issue mandates like this. They issue these mandates, the entire automotive industry spends a fortune gearing up to meet the deadline, then 2035 hits and the California government realizes the grid can't handle the change and pushes off the deadline. Then they wonder why the automotive industry lobbies against laws like this.

    15 years seems like a long time and I'm certain the car manufacturers can meet the deadline, I question California being able to meet the deadline with new energy resources (power plants - be they gas, nuclear, wind or solar) to fortify the grid to handle the new demands of BEV's.
    Tend to agree with the grid issue. As an example, lets say we get fairly widespread adoption of the new 19KW fast chargers in affluent neighborhoods. I suspect mine would qualify. It is around 20 years old, so not super old. Houses have 200A boxes typically, providing up to 48KW, so the house is not the problem. The problem is the transformers. They are 50KVA for 6 houses generally. Sometimes it is a 75 for 8-10 houses. Lets use the 50's. So if 3 houses on one transformer fire up their 19KW fast charger at the same time, pfff. Blew a transformer. If 2 houses fire up a fast charger around 6PM in the summer when everyone already has around 5KW load from AC's, pfff there goes a transfomer. I didn't even count anyone turning on an oven. Already in TX the entire grid can get dicey in winter on very cold days (lots of electric heat here) or on very hot days. CA has similar problems in summer, importing juice from Oregon/Washington already.

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    Re: California Moves to Ban Sale of New Gas Cars by 2035

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    Tend to agree with the grid issue. As an example, lets say we get fairly widespread adoption of the new 19KW fast chargers in affluent neighborhoods. I suspect mine would qualify. It is around 20 years old, so not super old. Houses have 200A boxes typically, providing up to 48KW, so the house is not the problem. The problem is the transformers. They are 50KVA for 6 houses generally. Sometimes it is a 75 for 8-10 houses. Lets use the 50's. So if 3 houses on one transformer fire up their 19KW fast charger at the same time, pfff. Blew a transformer. If 2 houses fire up a fast charger around 6PM in the summer when everyone already has around 5KW load from AC's, pfff there goes a transfomer. I didn't even count anyone turning on an oven. Already in TX the entire grid can get dicey in winter on very cold days (lots of electric heat here) or on very hot days. CA has similar problems in summer, importing juice from Oregon/Washington already.
    Yes, I didn't even think or know about infrastructure issues like that.

    From my recollection, California has been enduring rolling blackouts for years, with as far as I can tell, nothing done to fix it. I will say that I don't follow the California electric grid closely, maybe they have done something. I recall that recently the governor had said they need to look at gas fired plants as renewables can't get the states electric grid where it needs to be. I don't know that 15 years is enough time for California to find an ecologically sound location, that isn't upsetting someone, to even build a plant.

    I think other states could do it, but I feel like California has tied it's own hands behind their back. Hence my original point - they shouldn't set a date in stone to require new cars to be BEV until they have a clear line of sight to supply electric reliably.

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    Re: California Moves to Ban Sale of New Gas Cars by 2035

    Quote Originally Posted by Vagon11 View Post
    Tend to agree with the grid issue. As an example, lets say we get fairly widespread adoption of the new 19KW fast chargers in affluent neighborhoods. I suspect mine would qualify. It is around 20 years old, so not super old. Houses have 200A boxes typically, providing up to 48KW, so the house is not the problem. The problem is the transformers. They are 50KVA for 6 houses generally. Sometimes it is a 75 for 8-10 houses. Lets use the 50's. So if 3 houses on one transformer fire up their 19KW fast charger at the same time, pfff. Blew a transformer. If 2 houses fire up a fast charger around 6PM in the summer when everyone already has around 5KW load from AC's, pfff there goes a transfomer. I didn't even count anyone turning on an oven. Already in TX the entire grid can get dicey in winter on very cold days (lots of electric heat here) or on very hot days. CA has similar problems in summer, importing juice from Oregon/Washington already.
    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    Yes, I didn't even think or know about infrastructure issues like that.

    From my recollection, California has been enduring rolling blackouts for years, with as far as I can tell, nothing done to fix it. I will say that I don't follow the California electric grid closely, maybe they have done something. I recall that recently the governor had said they need to look at gas fired plants as renewables can't get the states electric grid where it needs to be. I don't know that 15 years is enough time for California to find an ecologically sound location, that isn't upsetting someone, to even build a plant.
    Good info that supports my feelings or mindset. We are rushing headlong into something here that we just ain't ready or prepared for with these 'lectrics and overzealous politicos who mandate them.

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    Re: California Moves to Ban Sale of New Gas Cars by 2035

    Its silly. A)Doubtful this guy will still be in the big chair when this would go into effect. B)The grid won't be ready for it. C) Outright bans are the wrong way to do things.

    Its a political misdirection from the current state of affairs.
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    Re: California Moves to Ban Sale of New Gas Cars by 2035

    Quote Originally Posted by mgescuro View Post
    15 years is very reasonable, considering all car companies will have a fleet of EV and PHEV by 2025 anyways. Then there's 10 years to get more of those cars on the market prior to the legislation coming in.
    Plus, there are 15 other countries with similar legislation. So, CA is not alone in this.

    The difference is CA has the clout to shift the US auto industry in that direction.
    China has already enacted a ban on new gas cars, with 1/5th of new cars expected to be EV/PHEV by 2025. China has more automotive industry clout these days. And car companies are going to comply.

    But what's key for people to know because most people haven't read the news articles, nor has the media properly covered it — Used gas-only cars are still going to be sold. You can still drive your gas-only car. No one is gonna tell you to get rid of your gas-only car. Only NEW CARS will be affected by the legislation.

    I remember the same reaction when the UK made a similar legislation change

    This will not affect you if you want to continue to drive your classic or whatever

    It's a generational change akin to a leaded fuel to unleaded fuel changeover or the introduction of pollution controls

    The world didnt end then and it wont end in 2035
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