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    Autoline.tv today reports next gen ATS replacement the CT3 and xT 3 will be be fwd?

    The next gen ATS labelled ct3 and xt3 will be on epsilon chassis. Isn't that a fwd biased platform?

    Check out today's www.autoline.tv daily for the full story.

    Do you think this replaces the alpha platform.?

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    Re: Autoline.tv today reports next gen ATS replacement the CT3 and xT 3 will be be fw

    No. The XT3 is E2UL, which is a midsize platform probably being used as a compact for proportions.

    CT3 I don't know about being FWD, but we've heard conflicting stories about "CT2" being FWD (from insiders and union commitments) or RWD (chief engineer, CMO, CEO).

    I'm willing to wait and see.

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    Re: Autoline.tv today reports next gen ATS replacement the CT3 and xT 3 will be be fw

    I wouldn't be too impressed if it comes to pass. But who knows?

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    Re: Autoline.tv today reports next gen ATS replacement the CT3 and xT 3 will be be fw

    I thought Mark Ruess and de Nysschen made it pretty clear that Cadillac would be going forward with an all-RWD sedan lineup. Their information would seem to be more reliable.
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    Re: Autoline.tv today reports next gen ATS replacement the CT3 and xT 3 will be be fw

    Quote Originally Posted by Dequindre View Post
    I thought Mark Ruess and de Nysschen made it pretty clear that Cadillac would be going forward with an all-RWD sedan lineup. Their information would seem to be more reliable.
    And David Leone recently said they were working on a small RWD sedan not a month after Uwe said the sedan would be FWD "over his dead body"

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    Re: Autoline.tv today reports next gen ATS replacement the CT3 and xT 3 will be be fw

    I'm calling BS on this. XT3 is likely FWD based, so perhaps they're getting confused with that?

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    Re: Autoline.tv today reports next gen ATS replacement the CT3 and xT 3 will be be fw

    CT3/CT4/CT5 are Alpha
    All crossovers are FWD based
    CT2 appears to be based on the Cruze architecture (i.e., FWD)

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    Re: Autoline.tv today reports next gen ATS replacement the CT3 and xT 3 will be be fw

    Quote Originally Posted by All Star View Post
    CT3/CT4/CT5 are Alpha
    All crossovers are FWD based
    CT2 appears to be based on the Cruze architecture (i.e., FWD)
    I'm confused.

    CT6 is the STS replacement.

    CT5 is the CTS Coupe replacement.

    CT4 is the CTS replacement.

    CT3 is ATS coupe replacement.

    CT2 is the ATS replacement.

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    Re: Autoline.tv today reports next gen ATS replacement the CT3 and xT 3 will be be fw

    Quote Originally Posted by SKH View Post
    I'm calling BS on this. XT3 is likely FWD based, so perhaps they're getting confused with that?
    My experience is that automotive journalists can do some pretty shoddy work with the details. It never ceases to amaze me how often auto journalists get the details wrong. One stark example is how many journalists couldn't seem to grasp that the 2014 CTS VSport was NOT the replacement for the CTS V. I even remember one journalists complaining that it didn't have a V-8 like the last generation V. And that was public information, never mind how bad they are with anonymous and confidentially sourced info.
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    Re: Autoline.tv today reports next gen ATS replacement the CT3 and xT 3 will be be fw

    Quote Originally Posted by wescoent View Post
    I'm confused.

    CT6 is the STS replacement.

    CT5 is the CTS Coupe replacement.

    CT4 is the CTS replacement.

    CT3 is ATS coupe replacement.

    CT2 is the ATS replacement.

    Did I get messed up somewhere in here?
    I don't think it follows BMW. So CT4 and CT4 Coupe...





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    Re: Autoline.tv today reports next gen ATS replacement the CT3 and xT 3 will be be fw

    Quote Originally Posted by Dequindre View Post
    I thought Mark Ruess and de Nysschen made it pretty clear that Cadillac would be going forward with an all-RWD sedan lineup. Their information would seem to be more reliable.
    It'll change at least two more times before they are fired, and then change again whoever the new guy is.

    Remember when all CUV's and SUV's were also only going to be RWD, now that the guys they are chasing are using FWD and eating their lunch it is like it was never said.

    (and I don't think this is a bad decision, just the fact that when you try and be like someone else you are always going to be behind and your convictions are never true)


    Quote Originally Posted by wescoent View Post
    I'm confused.

    CT6 is the STS replacement.

    CT5 is the CTS Coupe replacement.

    CT4 is the CTS replacement.

    CT3 is ATS coupe replacement.

    CT2 is the ATS replacement.

    Did I get messed up somewhere in here?
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    It'll change anyway; when they start rolling off the line is the time to figure it out, anytime before that is premature.
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    Re: Autoline.tv today reports next gen ATS replacement the CT3 and xT 3 will be be fw

    I was concerned that the alpha platform would no longer be used for the next ATS CT4?

    I thought the ct2 would be a shortened alpha and although I understand the value of fwd based AWD platforms as it allows gm to have an entry level fwd cuv just like the present SRX has.

    The original SRX was RWD based and the entry level model was an Unmarketable RWD cuv.

    Consumers will accept entry level models that are fwd but not RWD.

    Higher spec models must be AWD. Unlike larger truck based SUV s according to gm.

    Gm just lowers it's status by producing non all wheel drive CUVs even though it allows for lower msrp than AWD competitors.

    I don't care that much but would have preferred to see an AWD Porsche Macan competitor from Cadillac or gmc. Being front wheel drive platforms from gm CUVs tend to be more pedestrian than sporting.

    Maybe epsilon based CUVs such as the xt3 will have a little more sport which could be possible considering the target Macan is actually fwd biased AWD.


    I believe jaguar does offer an f pace with RWD only and I believe that will be a negative with buyers...

    Gm should just do AWD only cuv s and leave the fwd and AWD CUVs to other gm brands.....considering the ATS platform exists already and offers AWD.

    It's a pretty impressive platform that just needs a cuv chassis to build volume of alpha...with ATS and cts sales faltering with their crappy non competitive lease rates.

    My original question was asking if epsilon is RWD based or fwd based platform? Is it flexible enough to be either or?

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    Re: Autoline.tv today reports next gen ATS replacement the CT3 and xT 3 will be be fw

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert1969 View Post
    My experience is that automotive journalists can do some pretty shoddy work with the details. It never ceases to amaze me how often auto journalists get the details wrong. One stark example is how many journalists couldn't seem to grasp that the 2014 CTS VSport was NOT the replacement for the CTS V. I even remember one journalists complaining that it didn't have a V-8 like the last generation V. And that was public information, never mind how bad they are with anonymous and confidentially sourced info.
    During the development of the new Mustang, one site was saying it would be 6" narrower than the out going model. Errr? That would have made it the size of a Fiesta. Sometimes logic eludes these people. JdN, Uwe have both said Cadillac will be exclusively RWD (XT's being the exception) and Uwe just stated "Over my dead body" will the sub ATS car be FWD based. I think Cadillac Management would know if they are leaning toward a FWD based platform for the CLA/A3 competitor. I trust them, not Autoline.

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    Re: Autoline.tv today reports next gen ATS replacement the CT3 and xT 3 will be be fw

    Quote Originally Posted by JBsZ06 View Post
    I was concerned that the alpha platform would no longer be used for the next ATS CT4?

    I thought the ct2 would be a shortened alpha and although I understand the value of fwd based AWD platforms as it allows gm to have an entry level fwd cuv just like the present SRX has.

    The original SRX was RWD based and the entry level model was an Unmarketable RWD cuv.

    Consumers will accept entry level models that are fwd but not RWD.

    Higher spec models must be AWD. Unlike larger truck based SUV s according to gm.

    Gm just lowers it's status by producing non all wheel drive CUVs even though it allows for lower msrp than AWD competitors.

    I don't care that much but would have preferred to see an AWD Porsche Macan competitor from Cadillac or gmc. Being front wheel drive platforms from gm CUVs tend to be more pedestrian than sporting.

    Maybe epsilon based CUVs such as the xt3 will have a little more sport which could be possible considering the target Macan is actually fwd biased AWD.


    I believe jaguar does offer an f pace with RWD only and I believe that will be a negative with buyers...

    Gm should just do AWD only cuv s and leave the fwd and AWD CUVs to other gm brands.....considering the ATS platform exists already and offers AWD.

    It's a pretty impressive platform that just needs a cuv chassis to build volume of alpha...with ATS and cts sales faltering with their crappy non competitive lease rates.

    My original question was asking if epsilon is RWD based or fwd based platform? Is it flexible enough to be either or?

    I think all F-Pace are AWD, at least in the U.S.

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