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    Re: Your Tesla could explain why it crashed. But good luck getting its Autopilot data

    Quote Originally Posted by emh View Post
    No, it's not more advanced. Super Cruise is using a database of pre-mapped routes instead of relying exclusively on on-board cameras and radar/lidar. That's not scalable enough nor dynamic enough. That's why Cruise Automation (or Waymo or Tesla or anyone else) isn't doing that. Super Cruise's version of "automatic" lane change (just released) is when the driver puts the signal to change lanes and the car finds an appropriate space in traffic to do so. Even my 2016 Tesla can do that. Autopilot's "automatic" lane changes really are automatic: the car decides if/when to change lanes.

    No one has crashed on Super Cruise because hardly anyone is using it. As of Nov 2019, 2 billion miles have been driven on Autopilot. As of January 2020, 5 million miles have been driven on Super Cruise.

    Don't get me wrong. Super Cruise is a great system and the only system besides AP that's actually useful today. But claiming it's more advanced than AP is a hard position to defend.
    Its about safety, read about the system first... it’s much more sophisticated than Tesla auto pilot, internal maps is a safety precaution, no need killing your customers, the car needs to know where it is, and confirms via Sattelite, then it looks around for the traffic situation, unlike Tesla, it has no idea where it is, no internal maps, no real time satellite positioning...
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    Re: Your Tesla could explain why it crashed. But good luck getting its Autopilot data


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    Re: Your Tesla could explain why it crashed. But good luck getting its Autopilot data

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    Its about safety, read about the system first... it’s much more sophisticated than Tesla auto pilot, internal maps is a safety precaution, no need killing your customers, the car needs to know where it is, and confirms via Sattelite, then it looks around for the traffic situation, unlike Tesla, it has no idea where it is, no internal maps, no real time satellite positioning...
    Self-driving is not about knowing where you are. It's about knowing what's around you.

    Think about it. Do you need to know precisely where you are to drive safely? No. People can drive safely even when they are completely lost. You want the system to be able to do the same. That's the only way to deal with construction and other day-to-day changes. GM's more advanced system (Cruise) takes the same approach to this as Tesla does. That should tell you all you need to know about which approach is more advanced and has more potential.

    BTW, it's not accurate to say AP has no idea where it is. It does have positioning info. How do you think Navigate on Autopilot works, where the car knows which off ramps to take, which lane to be in to take those ramps etc. (and can do all of that without driver intervention)?
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    Re: Your Tesla could explain why it crashed. But good luck getting its Autopilot data

    Quote Originally Posted by emh View Post
    Self-driving is not about knowing where you are. It's about knowing what's around you.

    Think about it. Do you need to know precisely where you are to drive safely? No. People can drive safely even when they are completely lost. You want the system to be able to do the same. That's the only way to deal with construction and other day-to-day changes. GM's more advanced system (Cruise) takes the same approach to this as Tesla does. That should tell you all you need to know about which approach is more advanced and has more potential.

    BTW, it's not accurate to say AP has no idea where it is. It does have positioning info. How do you think Navigate on Autopilot works, where the car knows which off ramps to take, which lane to be in to take those ramps etc?
    At the end of the day, Auto pilot is a level 2 system being misused.

    Also, it doesn’t have good driver monitoring capabilities, like Cadillac...

    I know, There is this tendency to believe because it’s Tesla, it’s more advanced, but just like the ‘safest car ever’ cooking it’s owner after crashing him.. it’s lower tech than super cruise...

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    Re: Your Tesla could explain why it crashed. But good luck getting its Autopilot data

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    At the end of the day, Auto pilot is a level 2 system being misused.

    Also, it doesn’t have good driver monitoring capabilities, like Cadillac...

    I know, There is this tendency to believe because it’s Tesla, it’s more advanced, but just like the ‘safest car ever’ cooking it’s owner after crashing him.. it’s lower tech than super cruise...
    Can Super Cruise change lanes without driver intervention? Can Super Cruise change from one highway to another based on nav info without driver intervention? Can Super Cruise even work on any highway in the country?

    Super Cruise does have better driver monitoring and that is clearly a good thing. But in terms of driving capabilities, Super Cruise today is where Autopilot was in ~2016. You can regurgitate GM marketing-speak or you can learn about the technology and reason about what it is capable of. The choice is yours.
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