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    What you find when you go digging (Lambda rumors)...

    http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93044

    “He said Honda execs (including from Japan) were blown away by GM's new products, especially the Outlook, Acadia and Enclave. They are worried as hell. (Look at the consideration of the new Pilot vs. the Outlook in our data and they should be) He says even the next Pilot doesn't measure up to the current Outlook.
    Follow the link to see who said that, when, where and through whom.
    I do not have a link to the original source.
    Let us hope it's true. I hate urban legends.

    And that is how it's done.
    I wonder how the new Highlander will be?
    GM had better be planning a slam-dunk MCE and an over-the-moon set of new Lambdas down the road.
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    Re: What you find when you go digging (Lambda rumors)...

    Now this is something I like to read!

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    Re: What you find when you go digging (Lambda rumors)...

    Quote Originally Posted by 01cavalier
    Now this is something I like to read!
    Me too. Hopefully it is true and not a hoax.
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    Re: What you find when you go digging (Lambda rumors)...

    The story doesn't make sense. Even if the next Pilot doesn't measure up to the Lambdas, no Honda executive would say that before it's even unveiled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifcar
    The story doesn't make sense. Even if the next Pilot doesn't measure up to the Lambdas, no Honda executive would say that before it's even unveiled.
    No Honda executive would say that on the record. The impression I got was this comment was off the record. Though I grant you this could be a fake. But the Lambda's do seem good enough that this is believeable.

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    Re: What you find when you go digging (Lambda rumors)...

    Nice find. An excellent tidbit of information.

    The President of Edmunds at SaturnFans?
    Ed Helwig hanging out at GMI?
    When are Bob Lutz and Rick Wagoner going to stop by?

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    Re: What you find when you go digging (Lambda rumors)...

    Wow. Honda "worried as hell" about GM product, a GM midsizer beating the new Camry in a comparison test, and GM expected to post a 4th quarter profit...My gosh, is GM back?

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    Honda....quaking in their boots?! Unreal!


    Too bad it wasn't someone from the 'flavor of the week' saying that.......

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    Re: What you find when you go digging (Lambda rumors)...

    An Exceutive admitting their product isnt as good? Honestly how often do you hear this? But as much as it says, its really sales and profit margins that matter the most.

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    Re: What you find when you go digging (Lambda rumors)...

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Type
    No Honda executive would say that on the record. The impression I got was this comment was off the record. Though I grant you this could be a fake. But the Lambda's do seem good enough that this is believeable.
    They're nicer than the current Pilot, but I'd expect the 08 or 09 Pilot to be a substantial improvement over that one, which isn't bad at all.

    My take is that if the comment was ever made (which I doubt) then it was likely taken out of context pertaining to one specific aspect of the vehicle, such as interior quality or quietness.

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    Re: What you find when you go digging (Lambda rumors)...

    Quote Originally Posted by plane
    Nice find. An excellent tidbit of information.

    The President of Edmunds at SaturnFans?
    Ed Helwig hanging out at GMI?
    When are Bob Lutz and Rick Wagoner going to stop by?
    No, IIRC he's a dealer [salesman?], and I suppose he was just passing along info but not doing a good job of distinguishing the fact it was quoted.
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    Re: What you find when you go digging (Lambda rumors)...

    Quote Originally Posted by nsap
    Wow. Honda "worried as hell" about GM product, a GM midsizer beating the new Camry in a comparison test, and GM expected to post a 4th quarter profit...My gosh, is GM back?
    YEAH BABY!!!!

    While Ford continues to lay and suffocate in a puddle of it's own puke, and Toyota quality continues to slide down, General Motors is coming back.

    They have stood at the gates of hell; faced possible bankruptcy, slipping sales, and low stock prices. But now, with some help from a TON of great new product and some wonderful management from Lutz and Wagoner, among others, the General is back.

    Long live the General!

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    Re: What you find when you go digging (Lambda rumors)...

    Quote Originally Posted by cdp326
    No, IIRC he's a dealer [salesman?], and I suppose he was just passing along info but not doing a good job of distinguishing the fact it was quoted.
    Thanks for the clarification.

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    Re: What you find when you go digging (Lambda rumors)...

    Yes, it seems that it's out-of-character for Honda. But who knows?
    I certainly want it to be true.

    Either way, GM cannot keep sitting down. It needs to be a moving target.

    P.S. I am more afraid of the Pilot than Highlander.
    The new Pilot isn't likely to be better than the MDX though (which is new, remember?); and the Acadia still holds its own--especially in terms of space. So it's not difficult to overstate the threat--believe it or not.
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    Re: What you find when you go digging (Lambda rumors)...

    Quote Originally Posted by uboys
    Yes, it seems that it's out-of-character for Honda. But who knows?
    I certainly want it to be true.

    Either way, GM cannot keep sitting down. It needs to be a moving target.

    P.S. I am more afraid of the Pilot than Highlander.
    The new Pilot isn't likely to be better than the MDX though (which is new, remember?); and the Acadia still holds its own--especially in terms of space. So it's not difficult to overstate the threat--believe it or not.
    In some ways the first Pilot was better than the first MDX, like interior space and handling.

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