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    Re: 2019 Muscle Cars overlaps crash test Video

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
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    That is very insightful. Thanks again..

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    Re: 2019 Muscle Cars overlaps crash test Video

    Quote Originally Posted by 09W View Post
    Video cars are labeled as 2016's.
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    RE '50-yr old cars (1969s) : I expect a few here will think of / reference the 1959 Impala vs. 2009 Malibu crash test. I have thought/analyzed that video thoroughly, and being heavily involved in that era of American cars, I think the video is flawed. Not in how it was performed, but in that they used a notoriously-known & deficient X-frame car. On top of that; Chevy's version of the X-frame, which was unquestionably built to a price point (this, in an era when Chevy could only afford dies to stamp 2- and 3-piece bumpers due to budgetary reasons). Pontiac also used an X-frame in that period, but it was build notably stronger, continuously welded along it's seams & reinforced vs. the Chevy. BTW- the very next year Chevy added side rails to the X.

    Now- would that change the outcome greatly? Hard to say "greatly'- just don't know. But it can't have had no effect. Just wanted to point out the '59 Chevy would've been the worst example to pick to see how a 50-yr old car (as of 2009) performs in an off-set head-on crash test.
    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    This might answer part of your question, but may be an older car than you had in mind though.
    Thanks and it does answer my question, I didn't remember this was out there. Not really surprising with all of the thought put into safety for modern cars. 50+ years of building on existing knowledge shows in these results. I hear what you are saying about the X frame being somewhat compromised, but I'd still be surprised if any 50+ year old vehicle does well against a modern car.

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    Re: 2019 Muscle Cars overlaps crash test Video

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    The old Mercedes frame just doesn’t perform well, neither does the Mustang get good ratings.. however , acceptable, seems like Chevrolet needs to improve its roof strength, all in all, avoid the Challenger, pay a little more for the Chevrolet or Ford.
    To be honest I'd risk it to avoid driving the ugly Camaro. At least Chevy fixed what they broke on the 2019 car so maybe they'll give us a decent looking car next time around.
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    Re: 2019 Muscle Cars overlaps crash test Video

    Accidents are SO hard to pre-judge. A million variables. Check this link:
    https://www.spotlightnews.com/news/c...h-injures-one/
    '61 X-frame Chevy rear-ended a parked car carrier on the shoulder. Must've cut the roof off with the Jaws of Life. Driver in critical condition, but not killed, car doesn't look horrendously bad. Speed unknown.

    https://pamplinmedia.com/ht/117-hill...boro-car-crash
    This modern car is destroyed, occupant died. Speed unknown. I mean, tens of thousands are still killed in modern vehicles.

    "Stuntbusters" posted a video where they ran a 2002 Deville into a 1962 Deville head-on. However, the video is fraught with dunderhead disinformation, like "15 feet from grille to taillight" [the '62]. I mean; C'mon- how effin' ignorant can a 'car person' in a car-related video be? 15 feet is 180"- that's a BMW 3-series! They also sprinkle around the term "big block" to describe both a 6.4L V8 AND a 4.6L V8, with no clue how the term is used. And the end result was a lot of very subjective 'analysis' with no definitive outcome. Better off watching it without sound.

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    Re: 2019 Muscle Cars overlaps crash test Video

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    Thanks and it does answer my question, I didn't remember this was out there. Not really surprising with all of the thought put into safety for modern cars. 50+ years of building on existing knowledge shows in these results. I hear what you are saying about the X frame being somewhat compromised, but I'd still be surprised if any 50+ year old vehicle does well against a modern car.
    Yeah, the reason it came back to mind was because back when this video first came around, I can't remember where now, I had my 2011 Malibu and it hit close to home sort of because of seeing how it fared in this.

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    Re: 2019 Muscle Cars overlaps crash test Video

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    #1 Lesson: DO NOT CRASH!

    #2: They ruined a lovely purple Challenger. They could've given that car to me!
    And you would have just as quickly turned around and traded it in for another Soul.

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    Re: 2019 Muscle Cars overlaps crash test Video

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    The old Mercedes frame just doesn’t perform well, neither does the Mustang get good ratings.. however , acceptable, seems like Chevrolet needs to improve its roof strength, all in all, avoid the Challenger, pay a little more for the Chevrolet or Ford.
    More fear porn.....Buy and drive what you like, when your number is up,it's up.

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    Re: 2019 Muscle Cars overlaps crash test Video

    I hit a full-grown deer at 100 MPH in a '64 Pontiac. It did NOT come up over the hood, but did push the grille & radiator in, puncturing the battery and killing the lights, engine & power steering, before promptly wedging itself under one front tire, whereas the car DESPERATELY wanted to cut hard left. I had no seat belts, zero impacts by me in the interior. Hauled it to a stop, towed it home, replaced the radiator & battery, straightened the one front fender/headlight assembly, and put it back on the road. Not remotely comparable to hitting another 3500 lb object moving toward me, but some cars, even modern ones, have been totalled by hitting a deer.

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    Re: 2019 Muscle Cars overlaps crash test Video

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Buttons View Post
    And you would have just as quickly turned around and traded it in for another Soul.
    No, I'd have kept it for Sundays and the occasional airport run. We're talking free here.
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    Re: 2019 Muscle Cars overlaps crash test Video

    Another perhaps telling documentation on vintage cars is old Grand National / NASCAR races, back when the cars truly were "stock" cars. Eddie Pagan took a top-of-the-bank guardrail out with his '58 Ford, head-on, and he took the pole position at 117 MPH. Average race speed was 102. He had a broken nose but walked away. That was a stock-structured vehicle (tho of course it had a roll bar).

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    Re: 2019 Muscle Cars overlaps crash test Video

    Quote Originally Posted by 09W View Post
    Accidents are SO hard to pre-judge. A million variables. Check this link:
    https://www.spotlightnews.com/news/c...h-injures-one/
    '61 X-frame Chevy rear-ended a parked car carrier on the shoulder. Must've cut the roof off with the Jaws of Life. Driver in critical condition, but not killed, car doesn't look horrendously bad. Speed unknown.

    https://pamplinmedia.com/ht/117-hill...boro-car-crash
    This modern car is destroyed, occupant died. Speed unknown. I mean, tens of thousands are still killed in modern vehicles.

    "Stuntbusters" posted a video where they ran a 2002 Deville into a 1962 Deville head-on. However, the video is fraught with dunderhead disinformation, like "15 feet from grille to taillight" [the '62]. I mean; C'mon- how effin' ignorant can a 'car person' in a car-related video be? 15 feet is 180"- that's a BMW 3-series! They also sprinkle around the term "big block" to describe both a 6.4L V8 AND a 4.6L V8, with no clue how the term is used. And the end result was a lot of very subjective 'analysis' with no definitive outcome. Better off watching it without sound.
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    Re: 2019 Muscle Cars overlaps crash test Video

    Quote Originally Posted by gkr778 View Post
    Thanks for the link, but just because Torque Report repeats the false statement "The Dodge Charger and Challenger are currently based on a really old Mercedes-Benz E-Class platform from the 1990s" in its articles doesn't make it true.

    Dodge Charger and Challenger never shared a platform with any Mercedes-Benz E-Class. The original Chrysler LX platform introduced in 2004 was developed by Chrysler in Auburn Hills, Michigan. Even though the company was part of DaimlerChrysler AG at the time, design and engineering of the LX cars invoked only minimal reliance on the Mercedes-Benz parts bin. Shared items were limited to wiring harnesses, steering column, ESP system, axles/rear diff, 5-speed automatic transmission for V8 models, and some seating components. Also, the LX suspension design had some similarity to the Mercedes-Benz W220 (front) and W211 (rear), but the roll center and track configurations were unique to Chrysler.

    The current LA platform Challenger (introduced for MY 2015) uses a new rear suspension, steering column, seating components, wiring harnesses, etc., and the Daimler sourced 5-speed automatic from the was replaced with ZF 8HP. The car is not related to any Mercedes-Benz model past or present.
    The current Challenger rear suspension is dimensionally identical to all the LX platform cars going back to 2005. The only changes are to shock valving and spring and anti-roll bar rates.

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    Re: 2019 Muscle Cars overlaps crash test Video

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    The old Mercedes frame just doesn’t perform well, neither does the Mustang get good ratings.. however , acceptable, seems like Chevrolet needs to improve its roof strength, all in all, avoid the Challenger, pay a little more for the Chevrolet or Ford.
    Lol, I guess the fear-mongering did its job. They keep moving the line in the sand and changing the standards... by this measurement, wouldn't about 95% of the cars out there be a death trap? How many brand new fully compliant cars do you think are actually on the road? Guess I need to scrap every car in my signature then, they're ALL super death traps, especially my really old ones.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Buttons View Post
    More fear porn.....Buy and drive what you like, when your number is up,it's up.
    Yep, all this is. I wonder who is behind all this, these safety agencies trying to justify their existence by moving the line every few years, or the automakers trying to scare people into always buying the new cars? Lean towards the first one though.

    I do drive what I want. I know it's a risk every time I drive my 58 Edsel with no seatbelts (yet), steel dash, full airy hardtop, and no safety built into the design at all. But I still enjoy driving it, and I do my best to practice safe driving practices, situational awareness, even swapping to 4 wheel discs and making it a better handling car. At least my Edsel doesn't have the impaler steering shaft with the solid shaft going from the steering box to the horn button like my 57 Ford... that's absolutely going to scrap to substitute a collapsing column.
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    Re: 2019 Muscle Cars overlaps crash test Video

    Quote Originally Posted by fastrehotrods View Post
    Lol, I guess the fear-mongering did its job. They keep moving the line in the sand and changing the standards... by this measurement, wouldn't about 95% of the cars out there be a death trap? How many brand new fully compliant cars do you think are actually on the road? Guess I need to scrap every car in my signature then, they're ALL super death traps, especially my really old ones.



    Yep, all this is. I wonder who is behind all this, these safety agencies trying to justify their existence by moving the line every few years, or the automakers trying to scare people into always buying the new cars? Lean towards the first one though.

    I do drive what I want. I know it's a risk every time I drive my 58 Edsel with no seatbelts (yet), steel dash, full airy hardtop, and no safety built into the design at all. But I still enjoy driving it, and I do my best to practice safe driving practices, situational awareness, even swapping to 4 wheel discs and making it a better handling car. At least my Edsel doesn't have the impaler steering shaft with the solid shaft going from the steering box to the horn button like my 57 Ford... that's absolutely going to scrap to substitute a collapsing column.
    somehow I get the feeling that if it was Camaro preforming poorly, you would not be so forgiving

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    Re: 2019 Muscle Cars overlaps crash test Video

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    somehow I get the feeling that if it was Camaro preforming poorly, you would not be so forgiving
    Why, because I own 67, 71, 77, and 82 Camaros? I mean I just HATE CAMAROS SO MUCH!!!!!

    And the correct answer to your sarcasm is that I don't put much into any of these crash tests. They're just another group that keeps moving the line in the sand to justify their existence. All the automakers get their cars to being compliant, then they change things up and make them scramble again for some other new scenario. Cars are all safer than they've ever been, one shift in the standard isn't going to get me into a panic. Look around, people are still in beater 93 Hondas, and other tiny cars that would in no way pass these standards as well, does that mean they should all plan to die in the event of an accident? I'm not worried, nor should anyone really. Everyone loves a sensationalist news story.
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