What become of the 376 MPG Classic 1959 Opel P1, who killed the EPA dream?

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    What become of the 376 MPG Classic 1959 Opel P1, who killed the EPA dream?

    Who killed-Off the 376 MPG Classic 1959 Opel P1 fuel-sippers dream?



    The subject of countless interviews for television, radio, film and print, this is the world-famous and world-renowned Opel Experimental prototype. It holds the world record to date for a gasoline-powered vehicle of its size and only mild modification from the original stock pushrod engine. This 1959 Opel achieved over 376 miles per gallon in Wood River, Illinois, in 1973!

    If you haven’t yet heard the full story, this historic station wagon broke the world record for auto gas mileage in October 1973 with a highly modified engine which allowed the car to travel 376.59 miles on a single gallon of gasoline during a Shell Oil Co. contest at Wood River, IL.

    In 1973 the 1959 Opel P-1 shattered world performance records at Wood River, Illinois with a whopping 376.59 m.p.g.

    This near-original condition record-setter holds an important—and for many, nothing less than shocking—place in American automotive history. Competing as an experimental modification, the exploits of this street legal paradigm were widely reported upon prior to its induction into the Talladega SuperSpeedways’ Motorsports Hall of Fame, and cited in numerous industry reports and white papers.

    Early MPG Milestones
    The previous record of 49.73 m.p.g. was broken in 1939 by a 1947 Studebaker achieving mileage of 147 m.p.g.; in 1969, a Fiat 600 established a record of 244.35. In 1973, the 1959 Opel P-1 Hardtop discussed above shattered that record with its 376.59 m.p.g. result. Although heavily-modified experimental cars can today achieve m.p.g. of 2,000+ in specific test conditions, these high-performing road cars—Studebakers, Fiats, the Opel—perhaps demonstrate that fuel efficiency and performance are not so much a function of scientific possibility as will.

    Documented Track Results
    The 1959 Opel established its stunning record as it appears in the above photo—on a closed airfield circuit course at a stringently enforced minimum of 30 miles per hour (driving style was not restricted, but tuning modifications were limited to carburetor and ignition adjustments only).

    Description and Modifications
    The 1959 Opel is a CaraVan station wagon whose roof was chopped (lowered) and made into a pickup, with a 2-speed chain drive, 4-cylinder motor that is nearly completely insulated (including the entire radiator), a strange air induction (the carburetor has a ¾” bore), and a mid-engine replacement. Its rear wheels are connected to the center of the axle. The individual names of the Experimental Team members who developed and prepared the car are still proudly emblazoned on its rear deck.

    Patented Gasoline Economization
    A 1988 patent application by Paul M. Brown[1] both cites and explains one theory behind the Opel’s record-setting performance: “The chemically correct air/fuel mixture for total burning of gasoline has been determined to be 15 parts air to one part gasoline or 15/1 by weight. Changing this to a volume ratio yields 8000 parts air to one part gasoline or 8,000/1 by volume. The system of the present invention vaporizes liquid fuel before the fuel enters the engine. Theoretically, a homogenous mixture can yield gas mileage in excess of 300 miles per gallon.

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    Re: What become of the 376 MPG Classic 1959 Opel P1, who killed the EPA dream?

    Yep.


    Interesting history for the Vehicle and the people involved post Victory.

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    Wet Carry / Dry or Vapor Use FTW.

    You can play with it for stupendous effect a lot more than this..... because in large part they were restricted to the provided gallon of Gasoline.

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    Most do not seem to realize that both Vapor Carry / Vapor Use and also Wet Carry / Vapor use / distribution are of a far older ICE ( and other ) lineage than the common Wet Carry / Wet Use - Inject so 'unfortunately' in common use today.

    In fact, the often and fully miss credited first car / first trike from ( even ) K Benz 'used' various ( on an ad hoc basis for most ) Light Petroleum Distillates with a Wick type Vaporization 'Unit' ( Box ).

    Many / Most of the ones on display and or recreated have been 'converted'........

    Well, anyway, the pattern and I do mean 100 % the case 100 % of the time is very clear and is the same since before Day 1.

    Including but by no means limited to ......'Suddenly' the Gasoline under goes a truly lousy reformulation / add pack change ( MTBE FTW ) instead of advancing ..... plus some Tech development(s) plus Regulatory changes show up.

    Critical areas of the USPTO with regard to what actually works and works well with this are 'strangely' considered a National Security Interest and are therefore along with some other related considered off limits.

    You just will not believe who will come knockin' ............pretending to be what they are not............... when you bump into this.

    Real interesting to talk about possible Patent Infringement concerning Patents unavailable for viewing.......


    If people really understood how many things including this and much more..... have been rigged....... for so long........... and always by the same 'unseen' invisible hand.....


    I digress - fondly.


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    Many years ago, not all that long after this one appeared, the significant other bless her little heart, after the second of what turned out to be three liquidations of the 'ground hobby artifacts' ( More like a Pearl Harbor 'event' ) - wondered why suddenly it was 'ok' that almost everything there after not only was shockingly pedestrian compared to before but also..... did not have Fuel Injection of some kind and also was for the most part, restricted to some simple kind of fixed jet single barrel carburettor.

    Of what was allowed........Slant Sixes were the very best to use to play with this followed very closely by a specific 1.8L and numerous 1.6 L 'slant' four M10s.......

    A serious effort today with this taking full advantage of all the on the shelf and in the field tech of today, including relatively simple and straightforward gasoline reformulation would ..... change many many things and basically blow out many other.


    Which is exactly why it once again..... ain't going to happen.

    Oh, and yep, it can be taken even further if you bring just a few other unorthodox items to the table.

    Crazier parts are when you lose... big parts or all of the ICE...... as we know it.
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    Re: What become of the 376 MPG Classic 1959 Opel P1, who killed the EPA dream?

    Weight 2,500 lb, does anybody know what it's drag co-effient was? It just goes to show it's what you have got under the hood that counts, or in this case the engine was transversely mounted over the rear wheels.

    https://youtu.be/II1_Vg8dP64

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    Re: What become of the 376 MPG Classic 1959 Opel P1, who killed the EPA dream?

    Except in this mode it probably does 0-60 in 4 minutes, if at all, not usable in a passenger car.
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    Re: What become of the 376 MPG Classic 1959 Opel P1, who killed the EPA dream?

    Quote Originally Posted by jzchev28 View Post
    Except in this mode it probably does 0-60 in 4 minutes, if at all, not usable in a passenger car.
    Probably?

    Average speed in London is 19 MPH

    Average speed in New York is 11 MPH

    It is probably to quick for urban built up areas you are right.
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    Re: What become of the 376 MPG Classic 1959 Opel P1, who killed the EPA dream?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldsmobile stopped View Post
    Weight 2,500 lb, does anybody know what it's drag co-effient was?
    NO WAY that weighs 2500 lbs. STOCK Rekords weighed 2100 max.
    I've seen other articles on this car- it's a shell. No glass, no interior, no axle. 1000 is more like it.
    .cd is immaterial; IIRC it achieved 376 MPG around those big city MPH numbers you mention above.

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    Re: What become of the 376 MPG Classic 1959 Opel P1, who killed the EPA dream?

    I suspect the technology failed due to a restricted topspeed of 30 miles per hour. That is no faster than a mule.

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    Re: What become of the 376 MPG Classic 1959 Opel P1, who killed the EPA dream?

    Quote Originally Posted by balthazar View Post
    NO WAY that weighs 2500 lbs. STOCK Rekords weighed 2100 max.
    I've seen other articles on this car- it's a shell. No glass, no interior, no axle. 1000 is more like it.
    .cd is immaterial; IIRC it achieved 376 MPG around those big city MPH numbers you mention above.
    Guy who owns it said it weight 2,500, in the video at 3.09.

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    Re: What become of the 376 MPG Classic 1959 Opel P1, who killed the EPA dream?

    Quote Originally Posted by jzchev28 View Post
    Except in this mode it probably does 0-60 in 4 minutes, if at all, not usable in a passenger car.

    Sure jchev28, lot of impracticality involved both with the drive and also the vehicle.

    However, remember, this was all done as some of the worst of worst ever were releasing ie the 1974s.

    Terrible performance + terrible MPG plus terrible eh, drive ability, running and starting etc etc with heavy and now much more difficult required maintenance and often..... warranty and repair.

    Other thing though is absolutely enormous.


    And that would be the technical performance distance / increase this one generated over any and all other similar to it but run 'that day' and also in the past.

    Often btw, under less controlled and also from time to time more favorable circumstance.


    So part of what impressed here was this was done under a relatively new and very tightly controlled regime -

    Kinda' blew everyone's mind when announced.


    For some...... self included, the other, even more mind blowing part was..... it was allowed to run because it was most definitely crossing several of the big boy taboos. And it was a Shell event which on the surface made seem even stranger.

    Can't remember the rest of the story concerning how long it took before somebody did something better but it was a lot more than 'awhile'.


    Btw, the other thing was super low tech...... and cost.


    We had some mention of this years ago. At some point, I'll likely try and dig it up.
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    Re: What become of the 376 MPG Classic 1959 Opel P1, who killed the EPA dream?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldsmobile stopped View Post
    Guy who owns it said it weight 2,500, in the video at 3.09.
    Either he misspoke, or he really has no idea. Yea, I am aware he owns it, but believe me; I've heard 'National Enquirer'-level "facts" from the owners of cars countless times.

    This Opel has a Lexan windshield, chopped roof, aluminum panels, no dash, no heat, no radio, no headlights, no rear axle, no signals, no wipers, no inner structure in the front clip, a single plastic seat... it's a complete tin can.


    Engineers are not going to ADD 400 lbs on a car they're trying to set an economy record with. What they DID do is cut an easy 1000 lbs out of the car.
    The guy is dead wrong on "2500 lbs".

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    Re: What become of the 376 MPG Classic 1959 Opel P1, who killed the EPA dream?

    'Somebody' post 2007 / 2008 let it get all ratty. What a xxxxx shame.



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    Lot more @ http://www.opel-p1.nl/custom/testcar/Shell%20Opel.htm

    Photo 1 and 3 above taken from the following although the link just above also has them, I believe http://www.seattlepi.com/news/articl...p#photo-681731







    2. ) Btw, note the earlier date and earlier performance -

    So around Eight Months later......they were up a bunch more - with the 'other' mods and tweaking etc.



    Ben Visser..... one of the first two formally named / involved .



    http://www.opel-p1.nl/custom/testcar...0opel%20p1.htm


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    One of the things you really want about this one..... is a better shot of the rear 'tailgate'.

    And all the names there. ( Also get Martin & Visser from the Letter and then Toots in full. )




    Taken from the following , where you can make it much larger http://flickrhivemind.net/blackmagic...N00/8188441771
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    Re: What become of the 376 MPG Classic 1959 Opel P1, who killed the EPA dream?



    Looks a lot like a Holden I-4 that appeared in the early 1980s,

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