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    Vauxhall Adam Grand Slam vs VW Polo BlueGT


    Vauxhall’s fastest Adam yet, the 148bhp Grand Slam, takes on the VW Polo BlueGT in a battle for warm hatch honours

    When it launched the Adam in 2013, Vauxhall tapped into the premium supermini class with a design-led car that offered a raft of personalisation options. However, while the variety of colours and trims is huge, the engine range has been left wanting... until now.

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    Re: Vauxhall Adam Grand Slam vs VW Polo BlueGT



    VW Polo is the World Rally Car champion, that carries a lots of Kudas & substance with most Europeans with massive power inputs through the rear wheels. Audi dominate Le Mans with massive power inputs through the rear wheels. VW are No1 clear sales leaders in Europe a lot of it has to do with the massive success in Motorsport.

    Ford used to be the same No1 in Europe in sales/massive profits in the early mid 60s to mid 70's RWD GT40 1-2-3 wiped out Ferrari in Le Mans, its RWD rally Escorts a whole decade beating Porsche 911, RWD Lotus Cortina Mk1 was king of touring car, RWD Capri RS beat the BMW CSL/Porsche 911 in touring car Ford's lotus cossie engines had more championship wins in F1 than Michael Schumacher in that decade. Ford lost that Kudas now and losing big money in Europe the are just a bunch of Vignale tarted up trim posers cars win absolutely nothing these days in Europe.

    It's a shame GM can't steal some of that motorsport kudos substance, creditbiltus from VW in Europe and stop wasting all that money on a bunch losers like Manchester United whose so called massive fanbase that netted just 1 Chevrolet UK sale in May, and put it into motorsport instead, folk watch the Polo win at the weekend become World Rally Car champion or Audi win Le Mans buy the base 1.0L models in the showrooms on a Monday making VW Group the No1 in sales in Europe.
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    The WRC "kudos and substance" is a lot less than it used to be because the WRC cars are only visually similar to existing production models - or maybe that's only the perspective from the UK where the WRC is regarded as a mere shadow of it's former self since blind (no practice) stages and 36-hour legs were banned.

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    Re: Vauxhall Adam Grand Slam vs VW Polo BlueGT

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    The WRC "kudos and substance" is a lot less than it used to be because the WRC cars are only visually similar to existing production models - or maybe that's only the perspective from the UK where the WRC is regarded as a mere shadow of it's former self since blind (no practice) stages and 36-hour legs were banned.


    VW are not doing bad on it Rupert No1 in sales Europe huge profits they don't have the huge $20 billion loss of Opel, they a bit like Ford in the late 60's to mid 70's Ford wiped out demolished British Leylands 58% UK market share huge success of its RWD Fords RS Escort & Capri models launched in that at the time, Fords engines in F1 wins made Michel Schumacher's record wins as a look second rate, those past down Lotus twin cams were unbeatable. Yes you are absolutely right Right the motorsport cars were much more closer to the production cars, but l disagree with on the kudos & substance WRC is a proper world motorsport series so the whole world watches the VW Polo win World Rally Car it's not like some world championship that's limited to North America, WRC is a proper world series.

    If anything that is a totally a useless folly of no substance and worthless it's gotta be sponsoring targeting $588 millions at Manchester United's so called called massive fanbase, with a net return of 1 person walking into a Chevrolet UK showroom and just buy 1 car from in May according to the SMMT May sales statistics Rupert. That money could having been ploughed into Opel Motorsport which l think helps a lot with shaking down a car, it shows up a lot of weak production components in a cars design or structure that could show up early rather a massive Opel GM recall at a later date, Fords production model benefited a lot from it's motorsport in Europe in 70's, where the sense in giving Wayne Rooney a load of GM money to go fritter away on Range Rovers of what value is that to General Motors, 1 Chevy UK sale in May Rupert?

    VW are doing well in Europe off the back of its motorsport success in Europe, they are not losing big money like Opel, and l hate to say that as l absolutely hate VW Rupert.
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    Re: Vauxhall Adam Grand Slam vs VW Polo BlueGT

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldsmobile stopped View Post
    VW are not doing bad on it Rupert No1 in sales Europe huge profits they don't have the huge $20 billion loss of Opel, they a bit like Ford in the late 60's to mid 70's Ford wiped out demolished British Leylands 58% UK market share huge success of its RWD Fords RS Escort & Capri models launched in that at the time, Fords engines in F1 wins made Michel Schumacher's record wins as a look second rate, those past down Lotus twin cams were unbeatable. Yes you are absolutely right Right the motorsport cars were much more closer to the production cars, but l disagree with on the kudos & substance WRC is a proper world motorsport series so the whole world watches the VW Polo win World Rally Car it's not like some world championship that's limited to North America, WRC is a proper world series.

    If anything that is a totally a useless folly of no substance and worthless it's gotta be sponsoring targeting $588 millions at Manchester United's so called called massive fanbase, with a net return of 1 person walking into a Chevrolet UK showroom and just buy 1 car from in May according to the SMMT May sales statistics Rupert. That money could having been ploughed into Opel Motorsport which l think helps a lot with shaking down a car, it shows up a lot of weak production components in a cars design or structure that could show up early rather a massive Opel GM recall at a later date, Fords production model benefited a lot from it's motorsport in Europe in 70's, where the sense in giving Wayne Rooney a load of GM money to go fritter away on Range Rovers of what value is that to General Motors, 1 Chevy UK sale in May Rupert?

    VW are doing well in Europe off the back of its motorsport success in Europe, they are not losing big money like Opel, and l hate to say that as l absolutely hate VW Rupert.
    Opel operates at a 'loss' for a reason.

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    Re: Vauxhall Adam Grand Slam vs VW Polo BlueGT

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    Opel operates at a 'loss' for a reason.
    Making massive billion $$$ losses is sign of winner now MMmmm, who are you comical Ali?


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    So the $558 million sponsorship of Manchester United was a tax fiddle, is it illegal to sponsor you own cars in World Rally Car and make billions in profit like VW do in Europe?

    Opel sell most of their cars to Hertz & Avis in big rental fleet batches at a huge loss of $20 billions in the last decade, despite GM shipping yet another boatload of cash $5.2 billions for in R&D last year.

    VW Group are make billions in Europe from its operations, Opel can't a make dime.

    Why can't Opel do World Rally Car add something exciting for once, Opel just come across as SSSsss dull very uninspiring unexiting brand.

    GM seem to have the money to burn on sponsoring Manchester United and its so called massive fan base are not one bit interested in South Korean FWD Chevrolets, Chevy UK made just 1 South Korean Chevrolet car sale in May according to SMMT, and l bet the guy who bought the 1 Chevy, l bet it was a woman/man who hates soccer.
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    Re: Vauxhall Adam Grand Slam vs VW Polo BlueGT

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldsmobile stopped View Post
    They sell most of their car to Hertz & Avis in big batches at a huge loss of $20 billions in the last decade, despite GM shipping yet another boatload of cash $5.2 billions for in R&D last year.

    VW Group are make billions in Europe from its operations, Opel can't make dime.
    How else is GM going to develop product for Buick and Chevrolet Korea ?

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    Olds, when I look at the video still above of what is supposedly a VW Polo, I can barely recognize it as one. I'm sure Rupert's is right that this rally car has very little in common with the car we know on the street as the VW Polo. So, what that thing does on a race means nothing to me when I consider buying a car. Most of us quit judging by that or caring about that a long time ago. And by the way, when I was in Germany, I rented a Polo for several days. Not only did I get it to its top speed of I'd say about 185 km\h on the autobahn, I also took it for a couple of laps around the Nurburgring. I can tell you first hand that there was nothing even remotely sporty about the base VW Polo, let alone any hint of performance. So, when I see that high-flying rally car, it does not make think at all of buying the wimpy little ecoco-box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sean975 View Post
    Olds, when I look at the video still above of what is supposedly a VW Polo, I can barely recognize it as one. I'm sure Rupert's is right that this rally car has very little in common with the car we know on the street as the VW Polo. So, what that thing does on a race means nothing to me when I consider buying a car. Most of us quit judging by that or caring about that a long time ago. And by the way, when I was in Germany, I rented a Polo for several days. Not only did I get it to its top speed of I'd say about 185 km\h on the autobahn, I also took it for a couple of laps around the Nurburgring. I can tell you first hand that there was nothing even remotely sporty about the base VW Polo, let alone any hint of performance. So, when I see that high-flying rally car, it does not make think at all of buying the wimpy little ecoco-box.
    Your right l mentioned it in the "first" post it's added massive "winning" power to the rear wheels something that is not found on the typical FWD loser like a crap VW Polo that can't hand power and suffers torque steer.
    Opels entire line-up is based on FWD crap like this in Europe because bean counters are only building cheap n' nasty cars that saves money by dropping the whole drive train in the cheap, the poor ole mechanics have to struggle for the rest of the cars life working out of a cramped sardine tin engine bay though.

    Maybe FWD Opel should offer something a bit different more exciting to like a nice fuel efficient premium, high on quality fun to drive drivetrain RWD BMW & Mercedes Benz the ultimate driving machines that are making huge profits on them. If BMW remained static building 3 wheeler bubble cars after the war l doubt if they would be regarded as a quality company today more a joke brand like Relant Robins, BMW moved on as so should the narrow minds that run no choices FWD Opel, Opel need to move the quality up another notch offer a decent fuel efficient RWD premium drivetrain, then they could drop a big lump in the engine bay and could go racing DTM and upset the quality automakers.

    You cant wait for ever more for Cadillac to get their act together to fit a steering wheel on the right side of a car and offer something a bit more fuel efficient than a v8 6.2 for $9 gas Europe. Opel need to go more upmarket premium where the money is being made with more profitable niche models like Rupert said like the Mokka that must be making a lot of money and grow them, everybody will be dead 6 foot under the ground that posts here if you wait for Cadillac.

    Opel can't go on forever in Europe in the low rent FWD Kodak end of market losing billions in Europe every year, they have got to change the market is saturated. l just want to see Opel turn the corner make a tidy profit for General Motors. When Opel start making a decent profit l will be their No1 fan bigger even than Rupert.

    l would just like to see Opel move more into the premium market, l think GM would be very pleasantly surprised just how many people would buy a premium product like the Mokka if only they are offered given the chance of buying it, providing it is fuel efficient $9 gas friendly.

    There are a lot of people out there that like to buy premium Opels like the Mokka, folk would buy them from GM if they only offered the right products. You certainly can put a lot of power through the rear wheels without torque steer and go win races like RWD BMW have done in ETC link or DTM link a build a car made for life's winners sold at premium prices huge profits on the roof, just think if the BMW beancounters had said we will stick to making low rent bubble cars only after WW2 as they are cheap to assemble, they would have Reliant Robin type image today, instead of the ultimate RWD driving machine, Opel need to aim high not be happy and content to be a $20 billion dollar FWD loser..

    Sorry for derailing the thread that my fault l apologise, the Opel Adam Grand Slam is a superb little package hope it wins over some buyers from the VW Polo camp nothing would please me more.

    $25,957/$29,668 that is a premium price for an Opel Adam, depreciation is $16,041 over 3 years ouch that's a lot of money, the VW Polo is quicker, with a better top speed, much more roomy more practical in the back seats, l can't see Opel selling many of these Adam Grand slams they are to just way to expensive l just think of the cars l can buy for $30,000, l don't think there will be any market at all for this car, sales will be close to zero, saying that though the base 1.0L Adam models will still sell like hotcakes.
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    Re: Vauxhall Adam Grand Slam vs VW Polo BlueGT

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    How else is GM going to develop product for Buick and Chevrolet Korea ?
    Take the blinkers off Opels narrow minded FWD compromise cars management, sack a few of Opel's FWD compromise car designers.

    Hire new RWD designers get somebody in from BMW/Mercedes Benz who knows how to design a decent fuel efficient qualityRWD ultimate driving machine Rupert, then watch Opel profits soar.

    If they improved them added a bit more styling mojo to FWD OpelSSss products then they might well appeal to the more lucrative private buyers Rupert.
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    Re: Vauxhall Adam Grand Slam vs VW Polo BlueGT

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldsmobile stopped View Post
    Take the blinkers off Opels narrow minded FWD compromise cars management, sack a few of Opel's FWD compromise car designers.

    Hire new RWD designers get somebody in from BMW/Mercedes Benz who knows how to design a decent fuel efficient qualityRWD ultimate driving machine Rupert, then watch Opel profits soar.

    If they improved them added a bit more styling mojo to FWD OpelSSss products then they might well appeal to the more lucrative private buyers Rupert.
    That's your dream - but in the real world it takes 3 or more decades to achieve that sort of market change - and GM has never allowed anyone 3 decades, rarely more than half a decade.

    I know you're dreaming when you refer to Mokka and premium in the same sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldsmobile stopped View Post
    Take the blinkers off Opels narrow minded FWD compromise cars management, sack a few of Opel's FWD compromise car designers.

    Hire new RWD designers get somebody in from BMW/Mercedes Benz who knows how to design a decent fuel efficient qualityRWD ultimate driving machine Rupert, then watch Opel profits soar.

    If they improved them added a bit more styling mojo to FWD OpelSSss products then they might well appeal to the more lucrative private buyers Rupert.
    I'm sorry, but you are dreaming when you think Opel can be turned in to a premium brand. Sure, an image can be changed. But there is only so much stretch in a brand. Kia could handbuild car, but it would never be considered as premium as Rolls Royce. Same goes for Opel. It is a lower-tier brand, with no real standout qualities over other brands, in the way VW has cleverly marketed their upscale plastics and Ford their handling pedigree.

    Calling the Mokka a premium product is indeed a folly. It is a cleverly positioned car, but there is nothing premium about it. And while the Adam maybe a nice and clever car, the premium image it is supposed to convey is more than eliminated by cars like the Opel Karl/Vauxhall Viva.

    And then the whole FWD/RWD obsession you seem to have. You do know that even BMW is transitioning their smaller cars (1 and 2 series, X1 and such) from RWD to FWD? Mercedes A-class is FWD. Only in the Mondeo/Passat/Insignia-class and up, it COULD make sense to have RWD. Yet Opel sales in that vehicle-class are not sufficient. And the brand couldn't pull off the premium kudos anyway. If there were any kudos at all. Audi is doing fine without RWD.

    If you want Opel to go more upmarket, don't look at the RWD thing. Look at Audi.

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    I know turning in a tidy profit is not you dream Rupert sticking to a FWD loser nightmare is good in your eyes.

    Unfortunately Opel are so good at being totally useless, every year since 2009 Opel have been promising to make a profit in 2 years time, and when the 2 years come they still make a big billion dollar losses, leaching bloodsucking consuming large amounts of cash out of GM, they are absolutely so good at being crap totally useless nobody will touch them not VW or the Chinese, and it would probably bankrupt GM if they tried to sell Opel off they are so good being crap.

    Mokka is premium priced it turn in a decent profit, l doubt very much if the rest Opel Kodak small cars are making a dime in Europe. Nobody will touch this Grand Slam its to expensive sales will be close to zero, l don't like being negative but there are so many bigger much better cars out there for $30,000 Rupert.

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    The Detroit company has lost $16 billion in its European operations, which include the Opel and Vauxhall brands, over the last 12 years, Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas said. The eurozone debt crisis led consumers in the region to pull back on spending, causing GM last year to abandon its target for break-even results in Europe for the full year.

    GM's losses in Europe do not seem to be nearing an end, so exiting Opel, while costly upfront, would make sense, Jonas said in a research note to clients. Selling Opel could cost GM up to $13 billion, including upfront restructuring, an equity contribution to a buyer and funding Opel's pension obligations, he estimated.

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    Opel's persistent woes have led the automaker to push for changes including the ouster of the unit's chief executive in July. GM is also introducing new cars and realigning its business in the region, including forming an alliance with French automaker PSA Peugeot Citroen (PEUP.PA).

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    Jonas called Opel the "single biggest threat to GM's long-term financial health and sustainability," adding that a separation was in the best interest of not only GM but of Opel as well. He compared it to when Daimler AG (DAIGn.DE) sold Chrysler in 2007 to Cerberus to escape what was a financial drag for the German automaker. Chrysler is now managed and majority-owned by Italy's Fiat SpA FIA.MI.

    "We'd rather see GM with a 3 percent share in Europe," Jonas said, referring to the company's Chevrolet business in the region, "generating a profit than an 8 percent market share in Europe generating massive losses." He forecast Opel to burn a further $12.3 billion of cash from 2012 to 2021.

    GM's Chevrolet business in Europe is not counted in that region, and is instead part of the company's international operations unit that includes Asia.

    "Opel isn't merely a drain on precious cash," Jonas said. "It is a drain on engineering resources, management resources - sapping energy and swagger from the culture of the company." He estimated GM Europe will lose $1.5 billion this year and another $1.3 billion if not more in 2013, while revenue will stagnate through 2016 and grow by only 1 to 1.5 percent annually from 2017 through 2021.

    Jonas also said closing Opel may not be a viable option for GM, costing as much as $20 billion over several years and hurting the company's reputation.

    Morgan Stanley's investment banking arm has advised GM in the past.

    Jonas said Opel is worth a negative amount equal to half of GM's market capitalization, which at Wednesday's closing price was about $34 billion.

    Exiting Opel would cost GM between $7 billion and $13 billion, including $3 billion to $7 billion in cash GM would likely need to attach to the business to sell it, Jonas estimated, adding that the figure could even be higher.

    The overall estimate also includes $1 billion to $2 billion in additional restructuring actions by GM to show it was trying to get the business back to break-even, and $3 billion to $4 billion to fund most if not all of the company's German pension liabilities.





    What a CV to have huh, Rupert? What is better dream a vision or FWD Opel your worst nightmare?

    What a envious record Opel have Rupert, they are so useless nobody wants them, and they such a financial liability they would bankrupt GM.

    If only Opel could employ some decent designers that can design cars that can make a profit. I keep suggesting positive ideas more top of the market Mokka high quality products, you keep coming back with negative insult saying Opel should stay in the huge loss making small car FWD Kodak camera over supplied end of the market.
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    Re: Vauxhall Adam Grand Slam vs VW Polo BlueGT

    Mokka loses out to lower mainstream competitors like Skoda Yeti, Ford EcoSport and Nissan Juke. The fact that Mokka might be seen to anyone on GMI as anything other than lower mainstream shows the level of delusion that stems from using lower mainstream European Opels as premium Buicks in North America - there's a fundamental difference between the two continents which isn't understood by Americans and is shown by GM senior executives and some on GMI.

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    Re: Vauxhall Adam Grand Slam vs VW Polo BlueGT

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    Mokka loses out to lower mainstream competitors like Skoda Yeti, Ford EcoSport and Nissan Juke. The fact that Mokka might be seen to anyone on GMI as anything other than lower mainstream shows the level of delusion that stems from using lower mainstream European Opels as premium Buicks in North America - there's a fundamental difference between the two continents which isn't understood by Americans and is shown by GM senior executives and some on GMI.
    Mokka is a premium priced car will turn in a decent profit on every one GM can sell in Europe.

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    l speak as l find, Mokka seems more like a premium priced skyrocket, with profits on upward trajectory to me Rupert.

    Folk are waiting for Vauxhall to come up with decent premium products like this in Europe, when they are done folk come back to the Vauxhall fold, they are very well received.

    It is not a typical FWD Opel small Kodak camera car loser bloodsucking leaching $25 billions out GM, what wrong with adding a fuel efficient premium RWD to the Opel line-up, everybody that does them in Europe is making billions.

    Does that go against the grain of the Opels FWD loser image that Opel are trying to hope will preserve them? What a way to run a company, being proud of being totally so useless constantly losing billions of dollars, to costly to get rid of, so GM the American sugar daddy will remain permanently stuck with you?
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