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    PSA will build Opel SUV at French factory

    PARIS -- PSA Group will add production of an Opel small SUV in Poissy, France, the company said on Wednesday.

    PSA did not say which Opel model the Poissy plant will get. Press reports said it will be the next version of the Opel/Vauxhall Mokka X.
    In a statement PSA said only that the vehicle will be built on the group's CMP platform and have an electric drivetrain option. A PSA spokeswoman said that the name of the model would be revealed at a later date.

    The factory at Poissy, outside of Paris, dates from 1938 and has recently started up a new assembly line to produce vehicles with the group's multi-energy CMP platform, starting with internal combustion and electric versions of the DS 3 Crossback.

    All new PSA Group vehicles starting this year will have electric or electrified versions, with the goal of a fully electrified lineup by 2025.

    The existing version of the Mokka X was developed by Opel when the brand was owned by General Motors. It is built in Opel's factory in Zaragoza, Spain, after some of production was shifted in 2013 from Bupyeong, South Korea in response to strong European demand. The SUV shares GM's Gamma II platform with the Chevrolet Trax and Buick Encore.
    The new Mokka X was due to be developed as part of a joint engineering effort between PSA and General Motors, but PSA's purchase of Opel/Vauxhall from GM in 2017 left development temporarily in limbo before it resumed on a PSA platform. The new Mokka X is scheduled to be launched next year.

    Opel said in 2017 that the next-generation Mokka would be built in Eisenach, Germany, but the PSA spokeswoman said that plan was based the model being built on GM technology and has been abandoned. PSA has since allocated Grandland X production to Eisenach, starting this year.

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    So it begins French assembled Opels, Carlos Tavares CEO has already disposed of most of the very expensive labor costs in Germany, and now the new SUV will get assembled in France rather than Germany in the future. French PSA Citroen/Peugeot plants are run half the running costs of an German plant my only question is that l have been asking on here for years on here a long time before GM sold off Opel is why did GM not move all thier expensive production & design centre out of Germany 2 decades ago even maybe to the USA like Apple do have which would have been a USA Design centre excellence knowledge base for Buick now. PSA genuinely look like they will now make Opel profitable in the future they will be move onto French designed platforms, use rebadged Citroen/Peugeot PSA cars the new 7 seat highly practical Opel Combi Life that is one of most roomy Opel small cars in ages, not a typical cramped Opel designs where aerodynamics domineered destroyed sales Opel market share and made some cars unpractical like the Opel Insignia a two seater car uncapable of carrying 4 tall adult in any comfort the Insignia certainly is not helping General Motors Holden brand out at the moment more like destroying it.


    Why could GM not have done what Carlos Tavares has done at PSA today a couple of decades ago by not moving this SUV not to expensive Germany as GM was planning to with it, instead move it out of expensive German like PSA have done move it to France (Some where even cheaper in Europe not France) and cut the yearly labor/operating cost in half by 50%, Ford of Europe are now facing the same problem the sky high labor costs at it's German plant producing Fiesta/Focuses are crippling them at the moment just like when GM owned Opel the sad thing is just look at massive revenue Ford/Opel have in Europe is massive being eaten by expensive labor cost.


    Carlos Tavares said a German Opel plants cost twice as much to assemble an Opel car than French PSA Citroen/Peugeout plant does in France, why did General Motors beancounters in Detroit not spot this decades ago? I can see this change of move of the new SUV that was destined under GM to be assembled in Germany is now going to be assembled in France instead as the first big sign that Opel will be very profitable under PSA, why could GM not have done all this decades they seemed totally domineered by what the Germans wanted.
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    Re: PSA will build Opel SUV at French factory

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    a typical cramped Opel designs where aerodynamics domineered destroyed sales Opel market share and made some cars unpractical like the Opel Insignia a two seater car uncapable of carrying 4 tall adult in any comfort the Insignia certainly is not helping General Motors Holden brand out at the moment more like destroying it.
    Of course the Insignia/Commodore is unsuitable for Australia, just as the Insignia/Regal is unsuitable for North America, it wasn't designed for those markets.

    For very different reasons, Australian and American people are bigger on average than Europe - the Insignia was designed for the European market - it's GM Detroit's mismanagement of Buick and Holden that prevented those two brands from designing/building their own models and gave them "Hobson's Choice" of Insignia or nothing.

    Just as Honda, Hyundai and Volkswagen sell different models in North America compared to RoW, it's GM incompetence that has tried, and failed, to make "one size fit all".

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    Re: PSA will build Opel SUV at French factory

    Aerodynamic boredom bland dull styling is king helping making the Insignia sedan rear cabin cramped uncomfortable rendering the Insignia an unpractical 2 seater car no wonder sedan sales are nose diving in Australia the Holden brand is dying it the Opel know-how that's doing it. No wonder the sedan is dead looking at the unpractical Insignia its not to see why.



    Opel Insignia rear cabin designed for Adults that don't have an head or that are hunched back or enjoy headaches banging thier heads on roof every time they get in and out of it, with class leading Fiat 500 levels unpractical rear cabin uncomfortableness for a great all round claustrophobic experience with a 10 mile range maximum that could be tolerated by adult that just happens to have a head on thier shoulders.


    Sorry Rupert it has more to do with being an rear seated tall adult than being fat that very much makes the highly unpractical Insignia the root of all Holdens problems that is destroying them as a brand as well, it's the banging your head as rear adult passenger in the claustrophobic dull bland Insignia and the unpractical rear cabin that offers all the same level of comfort of a Fiat 500 rear cabin rendering the Insignia a 2 seater for a tall adult who would not want to travel any more 10 miles hunched up in the back that is typical of most unpractical Opels, but is nice to see some of the more practical PSA French designed from Citroen/Peugeot cars like the practical roomy 7 seater Opel Combi Life now get the Opel badge these are nice cars that offer 1st Class luxury, l am genuinely pleased to see Opel become more profitable as their designs/car assembly start moving to France where it can all be done for half the cost.
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    Re: PSA will build Opel SUV at French factory

    Solve the problem - take Commodore off sale and stop whingeing - or more practically, accept that naming it "Commodore" was a huge mistake because it was never designed to replace the true Commodore.

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    Re: PSA will build Opel SUV at French factory

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    Solve the problem - take Commodore off sale and stop whingeing - or more practically, accept that naming it "Commodore" was a huge mistake because it was never designed to replace the true Commodore.
    I told you it would be a massive sales flop GM had tried importing Opels before it lasted just over year, l said if GM ever thought about bringing it to Australia it would end up destroying Holden, you said at the time with you normal Rupert Trooper smarmy BS said it would be a massive hit Australians would take to it like a duck to water would not notice it was a FWD compromise done on the cheap, they have shunned it droves it's totally destroyed the Holden brand with $25 billion loser Opel know how.
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    Re: PSA will build Opel SUV at French factory

    PSA is going to build PSA SUV at PSA factory. Why is this news?

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    Big news is $25 billion loser Opels that cost twice as much at a German plant's are now going to assembled at half the cost in a more efficiently French plant making thier cars very profitable in the future. Something that GM sadly failed to in Europe thats why they end up selling Opel at of at a massive loss.


    Small but practical,roomy & profitable things you don't normally associate with Opel



    French made/designed Opel Combi Life just add an Opel badge, at last something "practical" and "profitable" from Opel two words not normally associate with an Opel for decades things are starting to look good luck them.


    Nice to see PSA Opel making a nice tidy profit now offering better more practical cars to thier Opel buyers good luck to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldsmobile stopped View Post
    Aerodynamic boredom bland dull styling is king....
    Wrong pic. This is the old Insignia A. The new Insignia B is much roomier.

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    Re: PSA will build Opel SUV at French factory

    Renault ruined Nissan. I expect PSA to do the same to Opel. I don't see Benz, BMW, VW dropping their German factories. It was expected that any ties to GM will soon be gone, take Mokka off the old Trax platform and soon the Regal will be dead also.

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    Sorry Rupert it has more to do with being an rear seated tall adult than being fat that very much makes the highly unpractical Insignia the root of all Holdens problems that is destroying them as a brand as well, it's the banging your head as rear adult passenger in the claustrophobic dull bland Insignia and the unpractical rear cabin that offers all the same level of comfort of a Fiat 500 rear cabin rendering the Insignia a 2 seater for a tall adult who would not want to travel any more 10 miles hunched up in the back that is typical of most unpractical Opels, but is nice to see some of the more practical PSA French designed from Citroen/Peugeot cars like the practical roomy 7 seater Opel Combi Life now get the Opel badge these are nice cars that offer 1st Class luxury, l am genuinely pleased to see Opel become more profitable as their designs/car assembly start moving to France where it can all be done for half the cost.
    WRONG!!!!

    The ZB is only 13 mm lower in rear seat headroom but 58mm narrower across the shoulders and 44mm across the hips compared to VE-VF.


    To be fair not many cars on the market are as wide as the VE-VF series


    Not many people would notice the headroom but they would notice 2 inches of width !!!
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    Re: PSA will build Opel SUV at French factory

    I wonder if Holden could do the unthinkable and get Dodge to supply a Charger
    and have HSV to change the nose to look like Camaro..

    Or maybe the math and appeal is just not there to take such a huge gamble.....

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    I wonder if Holden could do the unthinkable and get Dodge to supply a Charger
    and have HSV to change the nose to look like Camaro..

    Or maybe the math and appeal is just not there to take such a huge gamble.....

    Walkinshaw could import and convert ALa Ram Trucks

    They can get a 1500 Ram down to under 80 grand pretty sure the Charger could be done for Camaro money
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    Re: PSA will build Opel SUV at French factory

    This was logical choice for PSA. They moved Grandland X to Germany from France because it has higher price, and more space for profit since they had to find some model for Eisenach plant.

    Mokka X had to be asembled in France or Slovakia since there is no more capacity left in Spain. CMP platform cars are produced in those 3 locations.

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    This was logical choice for PSA. They moved Grandland X to Germany from France because it has higher price, and more space for profit since they had to find some model for Eisenach plant.

    Mokka X had to be asembled in France or Slovakia since there is no more capacity left in Spain. CMP platform cars are produced in those 3 locations.
    PSA are moving Grandland out of their Paris plant to make room for more Peugeot 3008 and 5008 volume - Peugeot models are way more profitable for PSA than their poor cousin Grandland.

    The next gen Mokka** could not be assembled in Slovakia as its variant, DS 3 Crossback, is already built in France. Why would PSA build an almost identical car at a different plant?

    ** just mix DS 3 Crossback and Opel GTX

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    Quote Originally Posted by GolfBravo View Post
    PSA are moving Grandland out of their Paris plant to make room for more Peugeot 3008 and 5008 volume - Peugeot models are way more profitable for PSA than their poor cousin Grandland.

    The next gen Mokka** could not be assembled in Slovakia as its variant, DS 3 Crossback, is already built in France. Why would PSA build an almost identical car at a different plant?

    ** just mix DS 3 Crossback and Opel GTX
    Comparing Grandland X and Peugeot 3008 you can see how bad everything was at Opel before. GM could not sell car overseas and just look how boring and unfinished car looks. Probably the least interesting car in its segment. Booming segment. Peugeot 3008 is a huge hit. It outsells almost all of its rivals!

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